How does someone run out of air???

[ScubaSteve]

I have been paired with plenty of random people on boats. I would be far less likely to chase them around than a regular trusted buddy. That was my point. I would stick with someone until my own safety was comprimised, and that would be before I went OOA

In Nemrod's opinion (I am speculating a little), he got himself out of the situation when his safety was comprimised. He tried to get the photographer's attention, then got to his wife and then ascended. I would not handle it the same way as he did (but would as he would now) but I do respect him for trying to stay with his buddy. Not a bad buddy in my books.

 

[Sas]

In Nemrod's opinion (I am speculating a little), he got himself out of the situation when his safety was comprimised. He tried to get the photographer's attention, then got to his wife and then ascended. I would not handle it the same way as he did (but would as he would now) but I do respect him for trying to stay with his buddy. Not a bad buddy in my books.

I never said he was a bad buddy, I think what he did was going well beyond what I would expect from a buddy. I took issue with him trying to blame the photographer for the OOA.

My buddy who went OOA doing a similar thing, well he was trying to stay with the line as the only other divers on the line were inexperienced divers (that is why we were given the buoy as we were more experienced) and he did not want to leave them with the responsibility of looking after the buoy. Both OOA situations I see involved people trying to do right by other divers but that doesn't take away from the fact it is their fault they went OOA. Plenty of people have gotten themselves killed or injured trying to help others but again it is their choice. I just really dislike it when people try to blame others for their own choices, which has been my point all along.

 

[Thalassamania]

I thought we were talking about commitment to buddy and other divers in general.

My comment was in no way meant for SAS. It was just general agreement with the spirit of Nemrod's post.

 

[Nemrod]

I never said he was a bad buddy, I think what he did was going well beyond what I would expect from a buddy. I took issue with him trying to blame the photographer for the OOA.

My buddy who went OOA doing a similar thing, well he was trying to stay with the line as the only other divers on the line were inexperienced divers (that is why we were given the buoy as we were more experienced) and he did not want to leave them with the responsibility of looking after the buoy. Both OOA situations I see involved people trying to do right by other divers but that doesn't take away from the fact it is their fault they went OOA. Plenty of people have gotten themselves killed or injured trying to help others but again it is their choice. I just really dislike it when people try to blame others for their own choices, which has been my point all along.

Sasspud, I am just messing with you, you have a point and I take it .

Thing is about all this, which is why I largely dive solo or with "independent" buddies is that I sort of take the "buddy" circumstance serious. Again, perhaps it is my early cave diving or maybe it is just me, but, I am not leaving somebody behind lightly once I assume their care and buddies are in each other's care IMO.

Anyways, returning to normal channels, that is my main OOA experience that I recall.

BTW, if you suck a tank flat, usually on the ascent you can get another breath, maybe two.

N

 

[String]

If i've got my camera with me a potential buddy has 2 choices - either be prepared to be very bored if they stick with me or they can go solo or find another buddy.
Im much happier solo like that - no rush, can take as much time as i want to do whatever i want and far less stressful having to worry about someone elses welfare too.

My priority underwater (and come to think of it, on land) is me. Everyone else is lower down the tree to varying degrees depending on who they are and what they're doing.

(unless im teaching in which case i do have a duty of care within reason).

 

[Scuba-Stu]

****ing **** this thread is going to go on forever.

 

[Sas]

Sasspud, I am just messing with you, you have a point and I take it .

Thing is about all this, which is why I largely dive solo or with "independent" buddies is that I sort of take the "buddy" circumstance serious. Again, perhaps it is my early cave diving or maybe it is just me, but, I am not leaving somebody behind lightly once I assume their care and buddies are in each other's care IMO.

Fair enough, I was "messed with" then

I too prefer to dive with just me or with a few regular buddies for that reason. I have gone to great lengths to track down dodgy buddies in the past (as I do take being a buddy seriously) but can't be bothered putting myself in that situation if I can easily avoid it.

BTW, if you suck a tank flat, usually on the ascent you can get another breath, maybe two.

I think if I ever went OOA I would keep my reg in my mouth (say if I couldn't get to a buddy to share air) and hope for the best, for that reason.

****ing **** this thread is going to go on forever.

Go to the top of the thread and click "Thread Tools" in the header then select to Ignore this Thread. Now that you know this, there will be no need to put silly complaints on threads you don't like again. Or you could have just not read the thread in the first place.

 

[Slonda828]

I dived for many years before the SPG was invented and ocassionally still dive without one on vintage dives and haven't yet run out of air.

I second what you say here. I haven't been diving for years before the SPG, but I have learned (via mentorship...I know...SCARY) how to calculate my sac rate (or RMV) and dive with a J valve and no SPG. My J valve goes off when I expect it to, or if I calculate my dive plan to not hit my J valve at all, then I don't hit it. It's pretty simple. It is how EVERYONE used to dive in the 50's and 60's. Hasn't anyone read The Silent World?

Last weekend I dove to 80 feet twice with a J valve and no SPG. I'm still here! You can do it if you know gas planning and management.

 

[Slonda828]

I'm with Nemrod on this one, anyone want's my air, any time, any place, any gear ... they're welcome to it. With a smile.

This resonates with me as well. Certain titles come with certain responsibilities. "Soldier" means that you have a responsibility to your flag (whatever flag your nation flies). It even drapes your casket when you get your card punched. "Diver" comes with one that I think you accept when you get in the water with other people, and that is the responsibility to make sure that nobody gets left in the dog-gone OCEAN ALONE or without ANY AIR.

That's the difference between being some fat guy on vacation and being a diver. If you don't want to be feel obligated to another person than dive solo or take the damn sticker and license plate frame off of your vehicle and go dive a cattle car with the rest of the sheeple.

EDIT: I really like Sas, and this was in no way meant for her ( I knew what you were saying Aussie). This was more a general affirmation of Nem and Thal's collective comments.

 

[AbyssalPlains]

It's the internet. Most people don't care if you waste your time. Have a nice day.

Wait, wait, wait. Yes, it's the internet. But community forums like this are supposed to maintain some minimum standards. After all, we don't permit people posting ads offering viagra, do we? This is called trolling and every forum that deserves that name has a policy about trolling.