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I'm not an economist, but wouldn't these factor into the economic reasons? Because all of the things you listed add value, and I think if you consider "value" as opposed to just "price" (value meaning that it incorporates all the things you listed as adding to it's 'worth') it's still economic reasoning.

As I alluded to earlier, saying a Jaguar at $50,000 is better than a Ford Focus at $40,000 is still an economic argument, even if in pure dollar sense a Ford Focus at $40,000 is better than a Jaguar at $50,000.

Yes this is very true. People always assume economics is only about money, it isn't, there are a whole bunch of things that people weigh up when deciding on something and they are all economic reasons. Though I am biased, I tend to think you can relate pretty much anything back to economic factors :rofl3:

Ah good point. Although in the case of 20-25 dives per year, as long as the person keeps it up, that's still reasonable for owning your own BCD, although on a dollars and cents value it does cut it much closer.

Reasonable to you perhaps, but not necessarily to me. Would depend on a few things. I am of the opinion that the longer one can defer payment on something, the better it is. So I might be better off financially holding my 'BC money' for two+ years and getting interest on the money and then spend small amounts occasionally on renting. However, whilst financial reasons are one of my main driving forces with decision making, other reasons such as not having to worry about returning my gear on time to a store, being familiar with it, and so on, were important too.

When I was deciding whether to buy all my own gear, it was based on diving twice a month actually, and these days I dive twice a week usually so that was a decision that went well :) It doesn't always work out the way I plan though! I remember reading about a guy on a local forum who had spent about $10k on scuba gear, and did about 20 dives. He lost interest and was trying to sell all the gear not that much cheaper than what he paid and was getting very angry at people's offers of less. It was pointed out to him that others shouldn't have to finance his poor financial planning! That is an extreme example I give you but there are plenty of newbies who are overenthusiastic and buy a whole bunch of gear they will rarely use!
 
I know nothing about the type of economics you are talking about, obviously... so if and my entire thinking process is nothing more than an economic analysis to you then I am happy that you are happy...

The only economics I study is what affects my pocketbook... personal finances and investing... because frankly figuring out a sunk-cost analasis of a piece of equipment that I consider critical to my safety at 112 feet under the ocean seems pointless to me.

I am not going 112 feet under the ocean with a rental regulator, period. I am not putting my life on the line in the deep blue sea with equipment that I don't KNOW about, inside and out. Period. If that is an economic statement to you, then enjoy it... for me, it is a simple fact...

Breathing air at 112 feet under the surface can be viewed in many ways... it can be viewed by the physiologist, who can tell you all the funky things that are going on with the body; it can be viewed by the hydrologist, who can tell you all about the hydrodynamics of the event; it can be viewed by the equipment manufacturer, who can tell you all about the challenges of designing equipment that will both keep me safe and lure me to buy it; it can be viewed by the boat captain as another name to check back in after about 30 more minutes.... ME, when I am 112 feet down all I am thinking about is the task at hand, my dive and my safety... and checking to make sure I am not getting horribly narked.

Since the equipment is already made, and already purchased, only one of those thought processes gets me back alive... and it ain't figuring out the economics of the situation...

But if it makes you happy to think about it, then more power to ya... life's too short not to be happy about things.
 
Hey me again.First off,I see 3 or 4 that always seem to wait til someone says something,opinion or otherwise and jump on them.Thats one reason I started this,just to see how long it would take,and dang yall are quick.I could do it again on another subject to give yall something to do.Secondly,I see the same question posed by many wanting to buy a BC.Your right,I don't have 20 million dives,but I do know that I am grateful to my friend,who has very few more dives than I do,that he gave me some good advice.He didnt say,and neither did I,buy this because I said so.I am sorry to be misunderstood,my writing is probably not as good as the more educated,but I did not intend to say,,,buy this because I said so,,it was meant as a starting point,Hence the name of the thread,to help maybe one that wanted to but right the first time.Yes,I have little experience,but,and i know I will get made fun of for this,but I spend alot if time in the pool and have tried all sorts of BCs,and people from 1000 dives down to 10 dives gave me the same advice,try all of them and see whats best for you.Everyone of them said get a jacket if you want one,all the pockets and all,,then you will see you should have gone with BI.because they know I will be strictly recreational for a long time,,..Dang,,they were right.Wish I had had one when I did my cert dives.Now.how many would advise a new diver to go with a jacket.Like I said,I read SB alot and can"t say I have ever seen that advice.It's all ,comfort,fit,what are going to do,doubles,tech,ect.kind of advise.I said the same thing and look what I started.I admit I may have said it in the wrong way.I wish i had know about SB before I purchased and gotten the many different,sincere ideas and information,but as i said,luckly I have a couple of friends,from all levels of experience, that showed me,advised me,actually helped me.In another thread,,"what you wished you hadn't bought",,,I saw some of you that said you wished you had bought something else.Well,,this thread was to get everyones experience,ideas,advise out to those asking,in a single thread,I thought,and my mistake,in a nice,freindly way.Now,I used to be a drag bike racer,and yes,after I asked around,got opinions,ask questions of older,more experienced and the new to the sport,all had some good advice,I learned from all levels,and ,I decided what Bike i wanted to run,,so if I was going to run Nascar,I would buy a Nascar car,,my old volkswagen wouldnt do me much good for that and I don't think I could have rented a Nascar car.The Pool stick,I bet if someone wanted to know about pool sticks,you would with out doubt tell them to try as many as they could,for feel,comfort balance,but in the end ,you would suggest the brand you use to them,you wouldnt suggest a Harvard from sears or tell them to rent a crooked one from the pool hall,I shoot with a Meuchi,and no,you cant have a beer.Economics does have an impact on this subject.But,most who ask are going to buy,thats why they ask,to get an honest opinion from many different sides,not to be bashed,slammed,made fun of.Every level of experiance has a place.i;m down low on that level and maybe can relate more to someone asking.To another comment,no.at this time I will not give an opinion on gauges or anything else,I admit I know nothing about those things,,yet,,I have only used what I have,,,BCs,I have tried alot,and have a bit of knowledge that could have been expanded on by others in a helpful way..I work with kids and people and try to be nice,helpful as I tried here,another mistake I see.I want to end this by saying,my apologies to any and everyone that thought or took it as I am expert in BCs,I didnt mean that way and sorry it came out that way.But I do see how these "discussions"go.Someone basically said they agreed with me ,but I was wrong?..LOL>>>Please forgive me for saying anything,my lesson learned..I know this will probably make it worse,but I just wanted to explain myself..I was warned about SB..grain of salt you know..Reading,studying,asking,do go along way.And to this end,I didnt mean to Capitalize that sentence as it were,,I didn't know the cap button was on,another mistake.So,yall go ahead and jump on this,I know someone out there will take it,expand on it and be happy with what they get..,thanks for the entertainment and happy,safe diving,pool shooting,nascar driving,ect...Geez,,do I know how to make friends or what?Anyone for a beer?
 
The Pool stick,I bet if someone wanted to know about pool sticks,you would with out doubt tell them to try as many as they could,for feel,comfort balance,but in the end ,you would suggest the brand you use to them...
Actually, I'm of the view that when it comes to pool cues, the brand really doesn't matter much. If you spend $200 or so, you can get a really nice cue - no matter what the brand. If you spend much more than $200, what you're really paying for, more than anything else, is decoration and fanciness - which doesn't have any effect on play quality. If you spend more than $400, you're often going to get an extra shaft, which can be important if you want to have two different tips available for one reason or another (such as you break the tip in the middle of a game). Sure, I would point out that I use a Meucci, but I wouldn't particularly recommend (or not recommend) the brand - it just happens to be the one I liked. In the end, my advice would be, "spend at least $200, and get one that feels good to you in terms of weight (they're all going to be well-balanced), and get one that appeals to your sense of fashion." That's about it (:

Anyone for a beer?
Nah, I view spending money on alcohol as a bad economic decision. But I'll shoot some pool with you. Maybe we can make chit-chat about why you feel it was necessary to change your ScubaBoard handle (:
 
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Incognito....I'm not a bad or dumb person,,,,but hate to meet yall out one day and have you say,,oh,,theres *******,,,dont talk to him...I;ll just fade off and be forgotten...LOL
 
Lots of people,,me one,,dont like rental..I lke my own...even if i use it twice a year,,which I plan on diving a bunch,somewhere,somehow,,,
I didn't dive for a bunch of years, then started again. Had mask, fins, gloves, booties, a reg. bought a wet suite and rented a bc.

Almost stopped diving again. the BC (a jacket type) was too small, in size and capacity. Inflating it enough to float me was enough to restrict my breathing. I know this could have been fixed with a different size, but it was hard for the shop to fit me.

So I bought one that fit.
 
well,since we went off on a tangent...I used to live in Antioch,CA...Love the bay area,,,,,,Hugos still in business in Antioch?
 
They're ALL going to do the same thing.......btw, I did my 1st 900+ dives in a jacket type...Back in the mid 80's when 1st certified, I had never heard of a BI or a BP/W, it's all in what you get used to really...Saying that, I went to a BI in '07, very happy with it--My wife, in the same boat, did the same when her jacket style finally played out after almost 20 years of diving---doesn't like it as much as a jacket......So, there's another view point....
 

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