Diver dies on French Reef (Keys)

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Hmmm.

1. Surface Marker Buoy (most safety sausages are a joke unless you are in a bathtub) = get seen
2. Whistle = get heard
3. Ditch the weight = get buoyant
4. Proper dive plan = surface with some gas (no need to drown)
5. Relax and wait for pickup = Don't stress and drown

I'd say that whoever taught them did them an injustice. I don't remember being taught to go all Michael Phelps during a missurface?????

I'm sorry for the family's loss, but there are a lot of mistrained divers in the water. This didn't need to happen. Even if there was a medical problem, they still broke all the rules.
 
1. Surface Marker Buoy (most safety sausages are a joke unless you are in a bathtub) = get seen; 2. Whistle = get heard; 3. Ditch the weight = get buoyant ; 4. Proper dive plan = surface with some gas (no need to drown); 5. Relax and wait for pickup = Don't stress and drown
Well said. Putting aside for a moment some of the less productive discussion about whose eyes are best, etc., the thread has produced a lot of good information about what divers can, AND MUST, do to take responsibility for their own safety. For newer divers following the thread, if you have not already visited the sticky (Best signalling equipment from the searchers point of view ) under the General Scuba Equipment Discussions forum, please do so. It augments helpful information such as what mempilot, and others, have posted. I recommend to students approaching their certification and 'independent' diving, and to certified divers doing additional training, that they develop the habit of planning for the worst. Therefore, as a boat diver I am going to assume that: 1) everyone on the boat, including the captain and crew, has eyes as mediocre (or bad) as mine and are not going to see me if I am 100 yards off the stern in 3 foot seas; 2) I am NOT going to be very visible on the surface (and my mask and snorkle do nothing to change that) because about all that is above the water is my head and maybe the tops of my shoulders, 3) when I am downwind of the boat, simply yelling to get attention will be useless, etc.; and 4) therefore I am going to take the additional equipment to make myself visible and heard. And, I am going to take precautions to minimize the likelihood of getting in an awkward position to begin with. In the Keys, on the reefs, I make it a point to periodically check my underwater position during a dive, either by returning to the anchor point, or surfacing to check for boat position (even with underwater landmarks available that everyone else may recognize and follow, on occasion I have simply lost track of my position relative to the mooring point). And, I do this before my air supply is down to 100 PSI, or 500 PSI, or whatever.
Having been though several (successful) surface searches off the NC coast, I have also learned some things I can do, on the boat, to help. In one case we had a diver who ended up downcurrent from the boat, the captain and others on the boat saw him and agreed that he was in no apparent distress, and waited to recover all others divers at the site before going to pick him up - very appropriate. Unfortunately, nobody on the boat signalled the diver (other than pointing in his direction) because they assumed that since they saw him, he must have seen that they saw him. But, he later told us that he thought he hadn't been seen, and almost exhausted himself trying to swim back toward the boat, to help in his own recovery. Lesson learned - let the diver in the water know that you have seen them. To be honest, I am not sure whether a 'US Coast Guard-inspected' dive boat is required to have a bullhorn, binoculars, long tag line, etc. Probably, they are. I have never seen a bullhorn employed to alert the diver in the water that they have been seen. I now carry my own binoculars, and a small bullhorn to the dock for boat dives, and check with the captain before we depart, to make sure that these items are on board. Otherwise, I take mine.
 
I have read this thread from first to last post and have some questions.

1. With the buddy system, do you leave your buddy and swim in alone?

2. If the surviving diver had stayed with their buddy, could he have assisted the other dive to keep their head above water.

3. Would 2 divers together have been easier to spot than 2 separate divers?

4. Since no cause of death has been reported yet for the deceased diver, do we rule out a medical problem IE heart attack, stroke, or even cramps?

Thanks for your help in figuring this out.
 
1. With the buddy system, do you leave your buddy and swim in alone?
Depends on what kind of person you are. I'd say, absolutely not, but that's me.

2. If the surviving diver had stayed with their buddy, could he have assisted the other dive to keep their head above water.

This is taught in Rescue, but I think even an untrained diver could toss their weights for them, inflate their bcd, and keep their head above water without training.

3. Would 2 divers together have been easier to spot than 2 separate divers?

In theory, yes. I'm an advocate of large SMBs for open water ocean diving.

4. Since no cause of death has been reported yet for the deceased diver, do we rule out a medical problem IE heart attack, stroke, or even cramps?

Any of those could have played a part, but that doesn't excuse the way it went down.
 
I have read this thread from first to last post and have some questions.

1. With the buddy system, do you leave your buddy and swim in alone?
As a general rule, never ever leave your buddy! I've had buddies send me up alone when I ran short of air, but that's wrong - and I wouldn't dive with them again. I've had a threesome buddy leave Blue Hole in NM when the three of us on top got mixed up with a large training group and I didn't see him leave us other two so I did a quick search of the 84 ft deep hole alone on my pony while he was taking his gear off. Last time I was at Blue Hole, my regular buddy who was the third in the other Blue Hole fiasco left the hole while I was chatting in the shallows with another diver - but this time this time I climbed the steps far enough to see him at the car before I did a search. I can think of many other times when my buds didn't stick to the rule, causing increased risk for both. I try to watch my buds close, but for most I've been assigned - I'd really rather solo. Still the answer is no, never - unless doing so would risk you for some reason. Either commit to a buddy partnership or decline.

2. If the surviving diver had stayed with their buddy, could he have assisted the other dive to keep their head above water.
Maybe could have helped, as MP suggested. Since he didn't, he couldn't. I'm sure he'll regret this the rest of his life.
3. Would 2 divers together have been easier to spot than 2 separate divers?
Probly, and you avoid having to do two different searches. I carry a Jon line in part so I can tie to a floating buddy if needed.
4. Since no cause of death has been reported yet for the deceased diver, do we rule out a medical problem IE heart attack, stroke, or even cramps?
Who knows? Sounds like medical could certainly have been involved, but not necessarily. The two of them just screwed up.
 
In my earlier post, I mentioned that they should have stayed together.
I concur completely with Mempilot and DandyDon. I wouldn't dive (again) with a buddy that intentionally left me or told me to leave unless staying together was creating more danger (a very rare situation that I have never encountered but I suppose is theoretically possible.
"Wow! There is an underwater metal-detecting mine. Get out of here! We don't need a second set of tanks and other metal setting this puppy off!"

2. If the surviving diver had stayed with their buddy, could he have assisted the other dive to keep their head above water.
More than likely. In light of the result, which was death, how could he have hurt?!

3. Would 2 divers together have been easier to spot than 2 separate divers?
Of course! Two heads are better (bigger) than one! Again, couldn't have hurt!

4. Since no cause of death has been reported yet for the deceased diver, do we rule out a medical problem IE heart attack, stroke, or even cramps?
Of course not! You can rule anything out until it has been ruled out by an autopsy (or other non-speculative procedures). All we know is a few facts. We can examine those facts, actions, and the resulting tragedy and LEARN from them.
 
Thank you for your responses.

I am new to diving and have learned from this thread. I will include safety signaling devices as a permanent part of my diving gear.
 
Thank you for your responses.

I am new to diving and have learned from this thread. I will include safety signaling devices as a permanent part of my diving gear.
There is a link to a pretty good thread on those below. :cool:
 
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