Near-DIR diving: Are there DIR things you would probably never do?

[Adobo]

I would like to see the argument against that. Because of all the things he talks about has nothing to do with being consistent. Add something else to the mix forces a change in procedure. It's only good for him in the here and now.

I have not seen any "option b" offered by anybody. Is there another holistic system for diving out there? One that can be applied to recreational and overhead (real or otherwise) diving?

 

[JeffG]

I have not seen any "option b" offered by anybody. Is there another holistic system for diving out there? One that can be applied to recreational and overhead (real or otherwise) diving?

Not that I have seen. Most people seem to be fine with "re-learning" as you evolve (as Gator puts it).

Use the right hand for reel and light, until the day you buy a scooter.

Since it worked for them ergo its good.

But to take a step back and say "If I could do this all over again, wouldn't it be better if I ..." never enters their mind.

and in a way the "Stats" back this up. No huge number of divers are dieing because they first used a light in their right hand vs learning to use their left hand.

Same logic applies to deep air etc etc

 

[grazie42]

I would like to see the argument against that.

I´m not sure what it would be either...

I do believe that you should be able to run a line with either hand (and that starting with one and learning the other later is one way to get there), that bottles on the right don´t interfere with LH-deployment and that a few of the other arguments that are usually brought forth are a bit silly...

TBH, I´m too lazy to try to find miniscule improvements on a system that is "good enough" (though I may have a bolt-snap "wrong" somewhere and I still run the light cord underneath the LH and I´ve not (yet) taken a gue-course)...I´m diving mostly CCR now anyway but I wouldn´t discount the possibility that there is a better config out there or that OBG might have it...open minds and all that...

 

[Thalassamania]

I have not seen any "option b" offered by anybody. Is there another holistic system for diving out there? One that can be applied to recreational and overhead (real or otherwise) diving?

Sure there are, in my experience just about every group of serious divers who dive together regularly either acopt a basically solo diving approach, or some form of unified team diving (often which has little or no resemblance to DIR). Just because they don't write a book, flog a course and issue a patch does not mean that they do not exist and are not "Doing It." Right?

 

[JeffG]

Sure there are, in my experience just about every group of serious divers who dive together regularly either acopt a basically solo diving approach, or some form of unified team diving (often which has little or no resemblance to DIR).

Not quite what we are talking about though.

We are talking "cradle to grave" diving system. Start from your OW and take you to 19,000 ft into a cave.


What you list is a "We are Here and Now" type systems. Works great for the application at hand.

 

[Thalassamania]

Maybe not cradle to grave, but then neither is GUE (at least at the moment), they have no cradle (yet).

Then I'd suggest that many academic institutions have that sort of a system, detailed instructional programs, standardized gear, etc. Not aimed at cave exploration, but rather more general research diving tasks. Most military diving organizations also would fit that model.

 

[JeffG]

Maybe not cradle to grave, but then neither is GUE (at least at the moment), they have no cradle (yet).

But DIR as a system does, but short of a mentoring system, there would be no way to jump in on the ground floor (so to speak).

I know I didn't. I must of had ~150 dives in before I took DIR-f.

My current partner though is going through it (at a speed that is comfortable to her).

 

[CompuDude]

Maybe not cradle to grave, but then neither is GUE (at least at the moment), they have no cradle (yet).

Didn't GUE recently announce they've finished putting together their OW course? May be a PITA to get to an instructor that will teach it, but I think they've finally gotten it finished. Don't know if any classes have been run yet, but it exists, at least, unless I'm remembering incorrectly.

Edit: Found what I was thinking of. Not yet, but soon:

From Letter from the Editor, Quest 9.2, Spring 2008:

"Spring is a time of renewal and this spring is no different; I have been informed that, in addition to a Diver Propulsion Vehicle Specialty class, GUE's long-awaited Recreational Diver Program is being scheduled for release.

Here is what I have been told by the Director of Training: This new curriculum will structurally mirror the Cave and Technical Curricula. Like the others, the Recreational Diver Program will be comprised of three hierarchically ordered classes: a Recreational Level 1 (Nitrox Diver) class, a Recreational Level 2 (Triox Diver) class, and a Recreational Level 3 (Trimix Diver) class.

The Recreational Level 1 or Nitrox Diver class will function as GUE's entry-level class; it will span eight days, have a depth limit of 70ft/21m, and will incorporate the use of nitrox as well as in-water rescue training. Structurally the class will be made up of three academic modules, three night lectures, three confined water modules, and four days of open water training.

Building on the theory and practice of the Nitrox Diver class, the Recreational Level 2 or Triox Diver class will function as GUE’s advanced or recreational deep class; it will span five days and have a depth limit of 100ft/30m. This class, I understand, is an expanded version of the current GUE Triox class and will include additional environments.

The final level in this series will be the Recreational Level 3 or Trimix Diver class. In this class, divers will be taught to dive safely to a depth of 130ft/40m, while never exceeding a PO2 of 1.2. They will be using twin cylinders filled with 21/35 Trimix and a small deco bottle of Nitrox32.

Exciting days lie ahead.

Safe diving,"

Dr. Panos D. Alexakos

 

[grazie42]

"almost" and "soon" isn´t the same thing as "there is"...at least not in my world...so DIR isn´t "cradle to grave" either...its just a "We are Here and Now" type system...

 

[JeffG]

"almost" and "soon" isn´t the same thing as "there is"...at least not in my world...so DIR isn´t "cradle to grave" either...its just a "We are Here and Now" type system...

Then you got it wrong yet again.

Why do people equate GUE=DIR

DIR is a system.

GUE is a certifying agency that teaches the DIR system.

The same guys that are going to do the GUE OW course have been certifying people under SSI or the PADI banner (or any of the other alphabet agencies) using the DIR system.

Just because its not widely available doesn't mean it isn't "cradle to grave".

Why is this concept so hard to get through peoples thick skulls?