To touch or not to touch?

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Look with your eyes, not with your fingers. :dork2:

Don't touch--EVER :no The only exception is if it's man-made, like a shipwreck.

Simple, eh??? :D

I am adamantly in the don't touch camp and plan to stay there.
 
Deefstes:
I'm sorry for you if you feel like you are being "controlled"

Not to worry, you don't control me. I pet urchins regularly.

Touch the Sea

Deefstes:
If other divers touch and feed creatures under the sea it is very much my business.

Touching and feeding are two very separate issues. I do not feed, but I do touch and it is absolutely none of your business if I touch or what I touch. If you don't want to touch, don't. It's your choice.
 
Slightly off topic but I just get very upset when I see pictures of divers touching anything. Maybe I'm a little bit too purist about it but I just don't see why it is EVER neccessary to touch ANYTHING. I remember swimming side by side with huge turtles wanting to touch them so badly but just restrained myself because I figured that it would only serve to gratify me and certainly not the turtle.

So when I see pictures of people touching manatees, dolphins, mantas and turtles I just get majorly irked. I mean, I can contain myself, why can't everybody?

I'm sure there are some creatures that don't mind being touched but why touch them anyway? We're in their domain enjoying them in their natural habitat. Can't we do that without interfering. Leave them alone and let them do what they would have done if we weren't there at all.

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This could not have been said any better.
 
This argument that touching things is causing creatures harm because it removes the animals slime coat is debatable, IMHO. If that were the case, wouldn't they refrain from touching you? I've been buzzed by both mantas and eagle rays. Stuff down there regularly touches each other and the surfaces below. Doesn't that also remove their slime layer?
 
One has only to look around at sites where divers are unsupervised (all groups to the sanctuary in Coz must be accompanied by a DM, and the FG usually attracts more experienced divers) to see how poorly some coral ecosystems are faring due to contact.

Bonaire is 90% unsupervised, and it is faring quite well.

I think it has more to do with the culture of the divers than any legislation or regulation; but that's my personal beliefs speaking, not anything I can really back up.

Tom
 
(also, feeding wild animals does harm them. I would never advocate that.)
How do you believe it harms them?

Most marine creatures are opportunity feeders. Sharks expecially. They will take a free meal if you give them one. When there's no free meal, they'll fall back to what they were doing for food before. I don't believe it alters their feeding behaviors permanantly.

Getting them used to divers and human contact is another issue. Most sharks I see are naturally wary of us. I'd prefer it to stay that way.

Tom
 
Most damage to reefs is cause by people who never see the reefs. Human population out of control with little or no regard to how our day to day (not diving) activties negatively impact the enviroment is what kills reefs. Supervising divers does little to protect reefs.
 
This argument that touching things is causing creatures harm because it removes the animals slime coat is debatable, IMHO. If that were the case, wouldn't they refrain from touching you? I've been buzzed by both mantas and eagle rays. Stuff down there regularly touches each other and the surfaces below. Doesn't that also remove their slime layer?

Does anyone have any data to prove or disprove the harm in touching?

Wow! Things are getting heated especially when feelings of repressed rights are brought up. I'll keep watching the banter.:popcorn: The forums are more entertaing than TV.
 
This argument that touching things is causing creatures harm because it removes the animals slime coat is debatable, IMHO. If that were the case, wouldn't they refrain from touching you? I've been buzzed by both mantas and eagle rays. Stuff down there regularly touches each other and the surfaces below. Doesn't that also remove their slime layer?

It might, and then again it might not, it depends on what type of surface and how hard the contact was. Yes fish come into contact with each other and also things in their environment. Our skin tends to attract mucous type stuff, and we do remove the slime coat. There are alot of articles in aquarium magazines, on teh subject of slime coats, what they do and what affects them.

Regardless, what fish do or do not do on their own has no bearing on whether or not we should handle them unnecesarily. Don't forget fish and crustaceans bump into or crawl all over coral too, yet when humans do the same we destroy it.

And then there is the psycological stress we put on them when we reach out to grab or touch them.

An easy way to remember what they might be thinking, wildlife lives by the bigger than me rule. "That thing is bigger than me, it wants to eat me".

Lots of people get a kick out of playing with damsel fish too. Well, did you know you were seriously stressing that fish out? Divers tend to hang there longer than other fish that it tries to chase, and sometimes signal to thier buddies to come over and play too. Now there are two large predators it needs to chase away, which both frightens it, wears it out physically, and distracts it so that some other predator may move in and swipe some eggs, etc. And it can be so quick and so subtle you have no idea what you just did.

People like to harrass blowfish, pull seahorses away from their perches, try to flush something out of it's hole, etc. It all adds stress they do not need.

Everybody touches things from time to time. Sometimes you can interact safely, sometimes what you do leaves the fish vulnerable down the road. I try my best but sometimes I just get so excited by what I am seeing that I can't help myself. But that doesn't make it right.

Personally I think we have done so many harmfull things to Nature that we should really be trying harder. And not touching or harassing what we see is a great place to start.

Lots of people also think it is ok to stand on the reef, after all it is only rock, right?
 
Most damage to reefs is cause by people who never see the reefs. Human population out of control with little or no regard to how our day to day (not diving) activties negatively impact the enviroment is what kills reefs. Supervising divers does little to protect reefs.
So should I read this to say we can do whatever we want, as long as other people are doing worse?
 

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