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Rescue training the most important class you will ever take.
Yes. Yes it is... Most important thing to remember is do not become a victim yourself. Use a rope, pole or other device to extend your reach and let the victim grab that and pull them in. If you have to enter the water to assist them the Rescue course teaches you techniques on how to do it safely. If you do not have the Rescue course then stay out of the way, but be ready to assist if requested. The boat crew or in this case, the instructor, will ask for assistance if they feel it necessary.

I encourage every diver to take the Advanced and Rescue courses.
 
The instructor was 5.3 115 lbs and the guy was 5.11 230 lbs. The size differential here means that a guy who is 200 lbs is given the task of rescuing Hulk Hogan when he used to be really fat! 390 lbs :)

NOW HOW GOOD ARE ALL THOSE RESCUE DIVER DRILLS?

I think if you dont have a float to throw, then the instructor better stay the hell away or we would have two divers to rescue not one. Am I correct or no?
 
The instructor was 5.3 115 lbs and the guy was 5.11 230 lbs. The size differential here means that a guy who is 200 lbs is given the task of rescuing Hulk Hogan when he used to be really fat! 390 lbs :)

NOW HOW GOOD ARE ALL THOSE RESCUE DIVER DRILLS?

I think if you dont have a float to throw, then the instructor better stay the hell away or we would have two divers to rescue not one. Am I correct or no?

Not completely. If she approached underwater and from behind, he wouldn't have hurt her. She may have taken a kick or two, but nothing major. People on the surface who are panicked never look or reach underwater. They do everything they possibly can to get out of the water.

I was once in the water wearing nothing but a swim suit when a diver popped to the surface right by me in full panic mode. I was instantly transformed into this diver's PFD as I was held in a death grip and no way for me to breathe. I grabbed the diver's body and pushed myself deeper. Once holding on to me stopped holding this frightened soul higher out of the water and started pulling them under, I was released. I could easily reach the LPI and then surface behind where I was out of reach. It was then a simple matter of towing them to the boat. Stay underwater in these situations.

Each instructor should evaluate each student they accept. If they aren't confident of their ability to rescue that person in full panic mode, they should refuse to accept that person as a student.
 
Once during a rescue class I had an assistant who weighed about 280 and since the divers in the class were all pretty competent divers I told him to be a little aggressive when they attempted a rescue. Two guys did very poorly and he drug them under, the tiny woman yelled for him to inflate, then to ditch his weights, she then dropped below and went behind him, he was bucking like a bull and she looked like a rag blowing in the breeze but she held onto his first stage and ditched his weights for him, never once did she look in danger, wish I had a video of it.
 
What Walter said.

Basically, the diver is confined to the surface by their panic, and that is the great equalizer. Their weights are below the surface. Their inflator is at least reachable from below the surface. Their tank is below the surface. Pretty much, everything you need to interact with is where they don't want to be.

(Anyway, frankly, I wouldn't even go up against a five-foot 100-pound lady on the surface, so the fact I wouldn't want to go against a defensive lineman on the surface isn't really saying much. :D)

If you're just getting the diver buoyant (which is generally sufficient to break the panic cycle), you just dart in underwater, do it, and swim away underwater. If, on the other hand, they're buoyant and still stuck in panic mode, it's still not a fair match. You can simply latch onto their back (tanks, valves, and the like are great for holding onto for the ride) and work from there.

The simple fact of anatomy is that it's *really* hard for a diver in panic to reach behind their back and get you. Think about it. Can you undo your BC's cam bands while you're wearing your BC? *That's* where a rescue diver will be hanging on. Even if they can touch you, they have no leverage; as long as you're riding them, you're "safe". When you've got them by the tank, there's not much they can do but flail or give up.

The basic concept of rescue diver training is to know how to "cheat". You never go up against a diver in panic in a fair fight -- they'll win. You reach for them or throw things to them from positions where they can't get you. You swim toward them wielding floats. You go underwater where they *can't* go. You get behind them where they can't reach you. Panic is a powerful thing, so you use every advantage you have to make mismatches and come out on the winning side.

Once during a rescue class I had an assistant who weighed about 280 and since the divers in the class were all pretty competent divers I told him to be a little aggressive when they attempted a rescue. Two guys did very poorly and he drug them under, the tiny woman yelled for him to inflate, then to ditch his weights, she then dropped below and went behind him, he was bucking like a bull and she looked like a rag blowing in the breeze but she held onto his first stage and ditched his weights for him, never once did she look in danger, wish I had a video of it.
I've seen similar several times in my much shorter span, but alas, I too have never captured it on video. (If J.'s little sister ever takes Rescue, I'm calling the big DM to come to the pool for training, and I *will* get video. $10 on her. :biggrin:)
 
Originally Posted by SeaHound
The instructor was 5.3 115 lbs and the guy was 5.11 230 lbs. The size differential here means that a guy who is 200 lbs is given the task of rescuing Hulk Hogan when he used to be really fat! 390 lbs

Everybody weighs between 8 lbs to 12 lbs in the water. When you look into there eyes you will see there expression change from panic to submission stay away until this happens and in any situation when somebody else is panicking you must stay calm

I would say just my .02 cents but I have made alot more than that this way
 
...this incident is a perfect example of why it's a good idea to insure trainee's are positively bouyant prior to entry; had this fellow been so, it would have precluded the entire incident.

Having said that, & not wanting to hijack this thread, I'll agree with Walter et.al. as to the appropriate response to the circumstances described.

Best,
DSD
 
surprising that he can jump into the water with the BCD not full inflated(by the instructor?).
When he is safely on the boat again I would ask him friendly if he told the instructor about his phobia. If yes I'll ensure him that with some more training it will be easy for him.
If he tells no, I'll tell him what I think about it, and that he risk other peoples life.
 
Sounds to me like everyone did what they could without putting themselves in danger. If the guy was not up front about his phobia then how is anyone to know especially if he didn't show any signs of it in the pool. The only thing that comes to my mind is did the instructor direct him to put air in his BC before she motioned him to jumped in? A shore dive might be better for this particular student on his next atempt if there is one,
 
So, I hear you all about ‘don’t become another victim’, really I do. But…it would be against my nature to just watch from the boat as only one person is attempting to resolve the situation and appearing to have difficulty with said resolution.
Could not one rescuer be the front man and do the eye to eye approach and another do the sneak up and ambush from behind (broadly speaking)? Get the flotation ring to the distressed vs trusting accurately tossing and an already out of control panicked even noticing the float?
It just seems like at least another person, available and willing, could be useful so why not?
 
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