Near-DIR diving: Are there DIR things you would probably never do?

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I think there are lots of people who violate what GUE teaches, after they take Fundies. I dive with some of them.

The big difference, for me, between my GUE training and my PADI training is that my GUE instructors walk the walk. THEY do the dive planning, the pre-dive checks, the pre-dive drills, and the debrief for their own dives. They set an example of compliance. And when I want to follow the "rules" myself, I don't get any resistance or resentment from fellow DIR divers.

As far as carrying a can light and two backup lights all the time, here's a picture from Cayman Quest 2006:
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I carry my can light with me all the time because I actually often find it useful, even in high ambient light. It brings out colors, and lets me look in nooks and crannies. I don't necessarily carry a backup light for high viz/high ambient light dives (unless I forgot to take it off the harness) because a light is not necessary and a small one is not very useful in that setting.

You are allowed to think.

The compass thing is strange . . . I use my compass quite a bit, it's on my left hand, and I can't remember it being a big deal to see it. I think, when you have a team of three with can lights, there's enough scatter that you can read a compass. At least, I can't remember ever putting the light in my right hand to do it. Maybe I do and I don't even realize it, in which case it's obviously not much of a nuisance.

You know, the thing about DIR is that, for any specific thing, you can probably come up with a situation or an argument why some other way of doing things would be better, or at least as good. The people who put the system together made choices, and sometimes they chose among multiple acceptable alternatives. But they made the choices that built a system that has certain characteristics -- It works as a system; it works for divers who operate as a team; and it's absolutely scaleable. If you discard any of those principles, you open the door to a whole host of other ways of doing things. But then you've discarded the system.
 
About the holistic system, I understand why it's important to stick to the major gear configuration choices in DIR, such as stages on the left, or a can light on the right hip, but does anyone see a problem with a small mask light (one that won't bother your buddies) or one SS quick-release clip (if I manage to find one) on the left chest strap? What about a small wrist slate (provided you have room for it)?
 
I like a lot of aspects of DIR...but all the equipment is bit of a nuisance. I just started getting into DIR (as in a couple of weeks ago) and I'm new to diving in general...so I am by NO means an expert. I understand that DIR is meant to be wholistic and helps people to be prepared. But...if I dive exclusively during the day, in average to good visibilty...I don't want to have to carry a light, and a back up light. I know if you do night diving ever, it becomes part of your buoyancy profile, but if you NEVER dive at night why carry around two lights...especially one that is always on your hand.

You don't have to carry can lights. When I am diving, since I am not caven trained yet, on all dives I have 2 small lights a Princeton Tec led and smaller backup that I got for free. http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/PTCT...l&AdvSrchSortField=Relevance&DescSort=0&Hit=1 I am in the market for a can light tho. They are both on swivel snapbolts that attatch to my shoulder D-rings on both sides. They are not dangling, they are neatly stowed against my harness. I pull them out when needed, but I usually don't even have to unsnap them. I use them on dives where there is alot of particulate and also to look at the reef. The colors come out more vividly when you shine a light on it. Just a thought for you!

Carolyn:sharks:
 
Seriously, the SK7 glows for a LONG time. Regardless, with a tream with can lights, you'd still be able to read it even without the glow. Have you tried diving this way? We do it every week...

Stages on the left FORCE you to be less complacent. L-lean, R-rich, could potentially lead you to be less rigorous about checking. Get the training and I'm sure you'd find it easy.

Lots of reasons to not like double bladder wings, especially if they lead you to not bring other forms of redundancy (dry suit, lift bag, etc). Often what causes one to fail will cause both to fail.

Really, though, dive however you want. Who cares. It might not be DIR, but if that doesn't bother you, so what. Worry about the why more than the what (as someone else suggested above).

And floater, I personally don't like the idea of a mask light, as it's hard not to blind someone during certain face-to-face work (e.g. gas shares).
 
I don't like any light that's going to be shone in my face when somebody looks at me. Beyond that, I don't see a problem with a quick release or a wrist slate. But they aren't DIR.
 
About the holistic system, I understand why it's important to stick to the major gear configuration choices in DIR, such as stages on the left, or a can light on the right hip, but does anyone see a problem with a small mask light (one that won't bother your buddies) or one SS quick-release clip (if I manage to find one) on the left chest strap? What about a small wrist slate (provided you have room for it)?

1) Because no one wants to dive with they guy who randomly blinds you because he doesn't have the skill level to properly use his light.

2) Seriously, we still need to cover why quick releases are a cure for a non-existant problem?

3) Because proper team communication doesn't rely on writing notes so no need for the slate. If you don't need it, don't take it.
 
I don't like any light that's going to be shone in my face when somebody looks at me. Beyond that, I don't see a problem with a quick release or a wrist slate. But they aren't DIR.

I feel compelled to scold the mod on this one. Just because you may not know why they aren't DIR, it really isn't approproate to answer that it isn't a big deal given the warning at the top of this forum.

DIR principle - don't take it if you don't need it.

For example, you don't need dust caps in the water, so they stay on the boat. You don't need quick releases in the water - so they don't go on the dive.

DIR principle - analzye the whole system and the focus is team safety

For a quick release the answer is because I am an out of shape slob that doesn't know how to properly get in and out of my gear. BZZZT, not an acceptable answer. If someone shows you how, it is easy to get in an out of a harness without a quick release. In an, I have to get my buddy out in a hurry scenario, it is still easy and you can cut it.

But, what is the downside. Oh, yeah, the downside is my harness falls off at depth. Or, the harness of my stroke buddy who I let dive with one because it didn't seem like a big deal. But, we are on 50% at 70', his harness snaps and he drops to 90 feet and needs help with his rig. To safely follow him I have to switch to back gas for 1-2 minutes then it might be too late. Thanks for putting me at significant risk if I am going to help you in time buddy.

DIR for recreational diving may be more than is strictly necessary given the relatively safe rack record of recreational scuba diving. But, that isn't the purpose of this forum.
 
1) Because no one wants to dive with they guy who randomly blinds you because he doesn't have the skill level to properly use his light.

2) Seriously, we still need to cover why quick releases are a cure for a non-existant problem?

3) Because proper team communication doesn't rely on writing notes so no need for the slate. If you don't need it, don't take it.

1) A small mask light doesn't blind anyone. But I'll ask around to see if mine bothers any of my buddies.

2) Just a convenience. I can get out of my rig without a quick-release, but with one (on a boat in a drysuit) it's easier and faster just to press the releases rather than wiggle out of the harness. And if it's SS then it won't break.

3) I use mine mostly for taking quick notes for myself or to write a deco schedule on. For example, I like to record my depth every 5 min on it. I might record my gas pressure on it at the time we turn the dive. I might record the turn pressure and max time before turning on it for quick-reference at the beginning of the dive and so forth. It's quick to use and you don't need the other hand to hold it whereas with wetnotes you do. Plus it's right there for you to look at, whereas with wetnotes you always need to dig them out of the thigh pocket.
 
I know why they aren't DIR, RTodd. I guess I didn't make it clear that I, personally, don't have a big problem with either, but they are not DIR.

I'm still having trouble wrapping my brain around the idea that someone with a non-rehabilitatable shoulder injury, such that they cannot get in and out of a harness in the normal fashion (and believe me, such injuries exist), is excluded not only from "being DIR" but even from taking DIR classes. Your comments about out of shape slobs who don't know how to get in and out of their gear assumes that that is the ONLY reason why someone might have issues with a continuous harness. That just isn't true.

Because proper team communication doesn't rely on writing notes so no need for the slate. If you don't need it, don't take it.

And why do we carry wet notes, then?
 
Your comments about out of shape slobs who don't know how to get in and out of their gear assumes that that is the ONLY reason why someone might have issues with a continuous harness. That just isn't true.
What are the other issues? and can any of them be considered DIR?


And why do we carry wet notes, then?
Its a last resort. Kinda like a backup mask.
 

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