Why RIX compressor?

[rjack321]

Maybe you could point me to some of the posts outlining problems. For me I like the idea that the compressor cannot create bad air meaning I really have no worries if I make sure that the input air is good. I would hazard a guess that nobody has died from CO produced by a RIX compressor something that cannot be said of oil lubricated ones.

But it can. Moisture is a big issue for tanks and in cold water for regulators.

 

[iain/hsm]

The oil field guys seemed to use mostly the same as the fire departments as the end user was pretty much on the same gear

The oil field guys and the fire departments as you put it are all under the same control. The guy on the standards committee who works for Jordair and wrote the standard is also the sole exclusive supplier for Canada of Bauer the only compressor the standard was written around. For Example:
In the standard it states:

7.2 Oil Lubricated Air Compressors

7.2.1 Oil lubricated compressors shall have a fail safe switches that will activate and shut down the compressor and prevent automatic re start when the filling conditions occurs
(i) Low oil pressure

7.2.2 Oil lubricated air compressors should have a carbon monoxide alarm

Now if your looking for oil free or oil less compressor alternatives? You won't find them anywhere in the Canadian standard.

Take also the example of A6 of the standard Air Compressor Systems General

A6.1 General

Multi stage oil-lubricated reciprocating compressors driven by electric motors .........
Standard compressor equipment shall include,
low-oil-pressure shutdown switch with light and alarm.
high-compressor temperature switch with light and alarm (this is a mandatory requirement in the body of this Standard)

And for the Baurer Secures part of the requirement try this:

(c) electronic cartridge monitoring system with alarm light and automatic compressor shutdown switch: this will allow the operator to confirm that the purification cartridges are actually in the chamber and installed correctly, and also alert the operator when the cartridges are contaminated with water; and
(d) countdown controller with alarm light and audible alarm that will automatically shut down the compressor and alert the operator to change the purification cartridge(s).

A14.1 General Requirements
The internal surfaces of the storage vessels and cylinders, fittings, and piping may become coated with oil, water, particulate, and other contaminants due to If blow-by" or disintegration of the purificationncartridges. If this occurs, the compressed breathing air system shall be removed from service and the contaminated components cleaned.

I asked you for a copy sample of the Compressed Breathing Air Analysis results for compliance with CSA Standard Z180.1 and a copy of the CSA Request form for Analysis of Compressed Breathing Air in order to rip that apart those part as well and keep this thread going until Christmas with the level of vested interest selective coercion and blatant control in the favour of committee member companies. Any one reading still wondering why all you see are Jordair Bauers in Canada. Go figure.

 

[iain/hsm]

But it can. Moisture is a big issue for tanks and in cold water for regulators.

And a total Red Herring of overkill and control in favour of the only option given in the Canadian standard that of the Bauer Securus.

Water vapour is the most simplistic and easiest of the breathing air controlled levels to manage and maintain with control in real time options including real recordable values. The standard is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Don't drink the cool aid.

While the required Bauer Securus standard is merely a blind water potential or a timer clock at the end of a BNC plug or the Bauer B Timer a clamping band with an RTD to measure the tower temperature against the hours run. Heck even a ten dollar visual indicator card at 10/20/30% even 20/40 /60% is more reliable and at least give you a reading you can clearly understand in real time and under the real gas conditions and at real gas pressures.

Even a bag of carcinogenic laden cheap Chinese zeolite off eBay and the like is going to give you minus -60 with your only consideration having to pay $15 CAD I guess.

 

[rob.mwpropane]

But it can. Moisture is a big issue for tanks and in cold water for regulators.

Not that it was a deal breaker, but I was surprised to find out after I bought mine RIX produces wet breathing gas and I would need additional filtration. You would think it wouldn't do that.

It was marketed that way (I believe) for the military who was using AL tanks and welcomed the easier to breath air.... "Easy to Breath Humid Air",

 

[nadwidny]

The oil field guys and the fire departments as you put it are all under the same control. The guy on the standards committee who works for Jordair and wrote the standard is also the sole exclusive supplier for Canada of Bauer the only compressor the standard was written around. For Example:
In the standard it states:

I really didn't care who wrote the standards or what their bias was. I just know I made a shlit ton of money off it running a lab that did the analysis. It may be hard for you to accept that Rix is a non-entity in the world I lived in but that's what it was. Maybe get better at marketing and less at being an annoying English pom.

 

[iain/hsm]

Out of the 1000's of tests you undertook can you please publish here just a single one of them (at random) for the purpose of illustration and explanation.

I don't work there anymore so I don't have access to that info..

I don't work there either but it's not hard to obtain.
The next question would be the cost for such a test every six months.
We know already it has to be every six months and from an accredited supplier
approved by the Standards Council of Canada. You know the ones that get to write the standards
around a particular brand at the exclusion of others. Any wonder all you see were Jordair.

 

[iain/hsm]

For the benefit of transparency ACR Canada is another accredited test house and is also a reseller of Jorair compressors.

Accredited Air Analysis | ACR Canada

www.acrcanada.ca

Not much in the way of choice in Canada.

 

[iain/hsm]

Not that it was a deal breaker, but I was surprised to find out after I bought mine RIX produces wet breathing gas and I would need additional filtration. You would think it wouldn't do that.

It was marketed that way (I believe) for the military who was using AL tanks and welcomed the easier to breath air.... "Easy to Breath Humid Air",

The US Navy SEAL teams are a totally different group with a number of specific considerations of which humid air was just one of them for their compressor design requirement.

The level of training required at high and sustained work of breathing Ioadings together with a higher lung tidal volume and with high and sustained work of breathing, Lung tidal volume and Respiratory Minute Volume RMV

Resulting in a typical minus 55 to 60 dew point requirement for sports divers and Canadians in the cold would reduce the SEAL team divers performance not improve it.

By contrast the average individual with asthma or COPD who would find humid air a disadvantage But there are no asthmatics in the US Navy SEAL teams.

Also in hyperbaric treatment chambers a ventilator humidifier is commonly used with the "BIBS" masks and hood tents with long treatments durations breathing dry gas even with the relatively short 20 minute durations before a 5 minute air break the TTUP is some considerable hours.

All this would have been discussed at the point of purchase and if required a conventional chemical filter tower dehydrator would have been offered to comply with any breathing air standard requirement required.

 

[JohnN]

The US Navy SEAL teams are a totally different group with a number of specific considerations of which humid air was just one of them for their compressor design requirement.

The level of training required at high and sustained work of breathing Ioadings together with a higher lung tidal volume and with high and sustained work of breathing, Lung tidal volume and Respiratory Minute Volume RMV

Resulting in a typical minus 55 to 60 dew point requirement for sports divers and Canadians in the cold would reduce the SEAL team divers performance not improve it.

By contrast the average individual with asthma or COPD who would find humid air a disadvantage But there are no asthmatics in the US Navy SEAL teams.

Also in hyperbaric treatment chambers a ventilator humidifier is commonly used with the "BIBS" masks and hood tents with long treatments durations breathing dry gas even with the relatively short 20 minute durations before a 5 minute air break the TTUP is some considerable hours.

All this would have been discussed at the point of purchase and if required a conventional chemical filter tower dehydrator would have been offered to comply with any breathing air standard requirement required.

The US Navy SEAL teams are a totally different group with a number of specific considerations of which humid air was just one of them for their compressor design requirement.

The level of training required at high and sustained work of breathing Ioadings together with a higher lung tidal volume and with high and sustained work of breathing, Lung tidal volume and Respiratory Minute Volume RMV

Resulting in a typical minus 55 to 60 dew point requirement for sports divers and Canadians in the cold would reduce the SEAL team divers performance not improve it.

By contrast the average individual with asthma or COPD who would find humid air a disadvantage But there are no asthmatics in the US Navy SEAL teams.

Also in hyperbaric treatment chambers a ventilator humidifier is commonly used with the "BIBS" masks and hood tents with long treatments durations breathing dry gas even with the relatively short 20 minute durations before a 5 minute air break the TTUP is some considerable hours.

All this would have been discussed at the point of purchase and if required a conventional chemical filter tower dehydrator would have been offered to comply with any breathing air standard requirement required.

My “baby” RIX came with this filter. I have no clue to what the filter contents are


I had the air tested after purchase and the H20 content was not measurable

 

[nadwidny]

For the benefit of transparency ACR Canada is another accredited test house and is also a reseller of Jorair compressors.

Accredited Air Analysis | ACR Canada

www.acrcanada.ca

Not much in the way of choice in Canada.

So what's your point? That you are infatuated with air testing in Canada? As I mentioned early on in this thread and was actually on topic, in the years I was at Aircheklab I never once saw a Rix over thousands of tests. Lots of Jordairs, some Bauers (that may or may not have been Jordairs at one point), some Poseidons, some Coltris, some others. Never ever a Rix. It's weird how you are getting your panties in a wad over a simple fact. Things must be really slow over there in Merry Old that you are devoting all this time and effort on this subject.