An age-old question: ways to 60m.

[rjack321]

That happened in 1992 ie. 33 yrs ago.

Yeah and? There are people here prattling on like it never happened "Hal Watts trained and Bret Gilliam (supposedly) did blah blah blah" There is a very good reason that 60m dives on air went out of fashion 30+ years ago and the Rouse's joint passing in 1992 was a big part of that. The OP can take some wisdom from that history or repeat it.

 

[eightytwenty]

That happened in 1992 ie. 33 yrs ago.

What is this supposed to mean?

 

[Centrals]

What is this supposed to mean?

Any similar incident that you can recall since 1992.

Yeah and? There are people here prattling on like it never happened "Hal Watts trained and Bret Gilliam (supposedly) did blah blah blah" There is a very good reason that 60m dives on air went out of fashion 30+ years ago and the Rouse's joint passing in 1992 was a big part of that. The OP can take some wisdom from that history or repeat it.

There is a huge difference between overhead and ow 60m dive.
60m ow dive is nothing to write home about. I have done that and so are others.
Any more example you can give other than the one happened in 1992?
Did OP mention about 60m overhead dive?

 

[SelfDiver]

Yeah and? There are people here prattling on like it never happened "Hal Watts trained and Bret Gilliam (supposedly) did blah blah blah" There is a very good reason that 60m dives on air went out of fashion 30+ years ago and the Rouse's joint passing in 1992 was a big part of that. The OP can take some wisdom from that history or repeat it.

I am just a Muppet on the interwebz, but this thread is kind of showing that "60m dives on air went out of fashion" might be more aspirational than factual.
There might be a day when 60m is always done on Trimix. Is today this day?

 

[rjack321]

There might be a day when 60m is always done on Trimix. Is today this day?

More like everyone diving doing any kind of decent dive has gone CCR. But there are still folks bouncing down on air in OW. It's actually pretty common to do the Bikini dives on air since helium is even more ridiculously expensive there than normal high prices. The DCS rates on air are also pretty high cause a week of air deco is pretty hard on the body too.

Any similar incident that you can recall since 1992.

There is a huge difference between overhead and ow 60m dive.
60m ow dive is nothing to write home about. I have done that and so are others.
Any more example you can give other than the one happened in 1992?
Did OP mention about 60m overhead dive?

The OP mentioned Bikini which has plenty of overhead...

Also it's pretty amazing to me. By your rationale, the Rouse's die, people stop doing the U-869 on air, nobody dies, and suddenly the dive is safe on air! There have been plenty of fatalities around 60m on air since. One local serious injury here where the diver went catatonic on the bottom at 180-190ft (most likely due to CO2). "Woke up" nearly out of gas, did about 1/2 his deco stops, surfaced. Was rescued by a passing ferry. Chambered within about 90mins. Has many cognitive and neural disabilities now and can't barely function despite surviving the actual dive. And Kirby (I forget his last name) had many 100s of dives in the 150-200ft range, he actually enjoyed his happy narcs.

 

[Centrals]

Mentioning about Bikini but did OP mention about penetrating those deep wrecks?

 

[Celt]

The only people who whinge about 60m air dives are the ones that actually don’t do them, for those that do, and there’s a lot of them, it’s no big deal.

 

[Celt]

That happened in 1992 ie. 33 yrs ago.

The accident involving the Rouses had nothing to do with the fact they were diving air as bottom gas.
Shortly after entering the wreck Chris Jr. was trapped by falling debris; loosened silt reduced the visibility to nearly zero. Chris Sr. entered or was already just inside the wreck and began to dig out Chris Jr., further reducing the visibility. After Chris Jr. was freed, the two divers were unable to follow their line out; according to statements by Chris Jr., and examination of their equipment, they evidently began exploring with line for a new exit. During their exit, it appears Chris Jr. experienced some trouble with his primary regulator and switched to his secondary regulator, but it was taking in water. At this time Chris Sr. gave Chris Jr. his secondary regulator and they continued out of the wreck. After finding the exit, Chris Jr. noted it had taken 31 minutes for them to get out, 11 minutes longer then their planned bottom time. They were able to locate only one stage bottle (EAN60) and were so low on air with no more time at depth to search for the anchor line or the remaining bottles they left for the surface. They may have attempted some decompression in mid-water.

 

[ofg-1]

Any similar incident that you can recall since 1992.

SOooo, is it your premise that since there has been no high profile deep air incidents since 1992 that deep air is safe?

Reading through this, God knows why, reminds me of the old saying "nothing is a total loss, it can always be used as a bad example".
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[eightytwenty]

Any similar incident that you can recall since 1992.

Sure, a friend of a friend went missing here a handful of years ago in the Carmel Canyon. He was known for doing air dives to 200fsw or so, and talked extensively about how good the "narc" felt. Nobody was surprised when he didn't come home one day.

I'm sure you'll come up with some excuse as to why that's irrelevant. After all, it's been 33 years since the Rouses, and there haven't been a load of highly publicized deep air deaths! That means something in the air or something in our physiology must have changed, and it's all safe and good-to-go now. You're ridiculous.