Preventing Harness Webbing Wear

[lexvil]

Instructors without a doubt have an obligation to keep their divers safe during training and hopefully after training. BUT my divers remain safe over the years due to their acceptance of their own safety. The skills and judgements that keep them safe are 'home grown' and are entirely on them to correctly exercise. They must be able to discern what works and what does not for them. We launch them and they sustain their own safety. Individual accountability make not be in vogue, but once underwater that is all that counts.....

Yes, I have what in my opinion encountered unsafe diving practices in instruction; but the concept of wasting a fortune [irrelevant] is not in the mix nor are any of us so spot on that we can assume the role knowing it all....no two students have the same instructional needs....

I do see a disconnect, Technical Diving is not anything special; but keeps being held up as the gold standard of diver safety. The basic physics and physiology apply to all divers and to elevate one "system" of diving with a litany of equipment do's and don't as the exemplar for all divers really short changes all divers. There is not one system to rule them all.

To say that the OP is ignorant and is rehashing bad ideas seem very, very myopic to me. I don't have to agree with anyone's position or concepts but showing them respect in the discourse is my responsibility.

What happened to the tenet that we can agree to disagree?

It’s HOGma a specific form of dogma like the guy on the street corner telling you the world is ending today, repeating everyday, it’s their reality.

 

[Pavao]

differing designs and approaches to problem solving;

Those are not the same thing.
Someone may come up with a different design of something that works perfectly well, and as long as the new design also works perfectly well, there’s no harm.

Problem solving by definition needs a problem to exist, IF one exists, the solution must present, at the very least, less problems than the original one did.

Here in this case, we have a virtually non existent problem, “solved” by a “solution” which added more risks than the harness fraying presented.

Harness fraying is very gradual, from the first signs of it to a point of dangerously breaking, it’d be more likely the bolt connection offered by OP to come lose than the fraying cutting all the way though, which the OP voluntarily did cut .

Lastly, if you’re so concerned with harness fraying, buy plates with designes that addresses the issue, like Scubapro’s, or add a layer from the excess harness you’d cut from sizing to the area where fraying occurs, or just simply realize it wasn’t even a concern to begin with so you don’t create a potential problem where none existed.

 

[Nick_Radov]

What happened to the tenet that we can agree to disagree?

That tenet went out the window when a supposed "trimix instructor" started promoting dangerous nonsense like color coded deco stage regs. I am not a nice guy, and in a potentially dangerous hobby we sometimes have to sternly remind people to follow Rule #2 instead of politely allowing BS to pass unchallenged.

Anyway, I think I've beat this pony to death. Feel free to have the last word if you like.

 

[NothingClever]

@Wallowa

While I sincerely appreciate your efforts to persuade us to be gentler, it would seem you also sometimes reach your limit.

"You are consistent I will say that.....always bloviating...I never said anything about compressors sold in Florida....and as I posted my MCH-6 Icon from Nuvair did come with a PMV and GX200; but you knew that, you are just spouting more hot air to hear yourself....as for posting any information off my GX200...do me a favor and hold your breath for that....Give it a rest and go dark will you....your babble is numbing and serves no useful purpose...."

I want Chris ( @divezonescuba ) to succeed but he hasn't been receptive to constructive criticism in the past. What you're seeing is the cumulative reaction from some of us to his multiple posts that provide complicating solutions to made up problems or distractions from vetted solutions.

Chris, seriously...I encourage you to develop and review your content with a dive mentor that has more experience than you. My LinkedIn feed is chock full of discussion in the US and EU about mentorship so it's not like I'm suggesting something arcane or counterproductive to good business practices.

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

It’s HOGma a specific form of dogma like the guy on the street corner telling you the world is ending today, repeating everyday, it’s their reality.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha
..HOGma, I love it!
As far as I'm concerned, if someone cuts the harness or sets it up some other way besides one piece and it poses no safety hazard, what's the big deal? And besides it's nobody's damn business!
I cut the one on my doubles plate, welded up the old slots, and cut a few new ones just so I could use two pieces. I didn't like the way the webbing wadded up on one side so I did something about it. It will be for double 72's, which I will also use with no BC (Oh god, the children!!)
The webbing on those original doubles plates were crossed which solved the stress on one side issue.

 

[happy-diver]

Hey what about that dude that chose to operate his power saw with his left hand
Two fingers less later with his teenage daughter wrapping them, he did it his way

Agree to disagree, comes from particularly lacking understanding, wrong people!

 

[rongoodman]

It's "nobody's damn business" until you start posting videos promoting the practice, then you've made it everybody's business and they have every right to express their opinion.

 

[flymolo]

yea "dive and let dive" or whatever starts to sound a bit disingenuous when talking about someone who gets paid to teach this craziness to people who may not know any better

 

[flymolo]

most everything i've seen from OP seems to be the most complicated solution possible to solve a problem that's either been solved already or doesn't exist. it's...impressive

 

[lowwall]

most everything i've seen from OP seems to be the most complicated solution possible to solve a problem that's either been solved already or doesn't exist. it's...impressive

Those folks have always been around every activity that involves equipment. They rarely posed a danger to anyone except themselves when they were working to perfect the recumbent bicycle or solo submarine or whatever so more power to them. But adding YouTube to the mix moves them from colorful eccentric to potential hazard depending on the subject and how it's presented.