Question Requirements to dive without a local guide in Cenotes

[34109411]

Not sure what single tank diving and no training has to do with OPs questions?

Every message OP sent is 100% clear that he is asking about the right way to do the dives he likes with this buddies.
And now we are saying that he should not dive in a CAVERN without a guide even if he completes full cave?

@mxdiver25 get full cave like @ginti recommended and you can dive every cavern you like for hours and have a humangous safety margin with two tanks

In car wash there is not much of a cavern part kind of. Story tell people that venture into cavern are always attract to go a little bit further and venture into the darkness. Even in a cavern a silt out could happen and they could get lost. Someone could get a problem with equipment start to freak out among the other and not make it out. ok really now i am stopping!

 

[ginti]

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We'll go, encourage them to go along on a single tank without proper training. i will not add anymore comments on the subject.

Be safe

I believe the comment from @Underwater Tourist was more about the following part being a bit exaggerated:

Still unless your name is Mike Young or Robbie Schimtter the argument not to pay for a local dive guide is not a valid point, it could cost you your life.

I assume he thinks there is no need to be an internationally recognized explorer to dive without a guide in Mexico. In the end, the purpose of full cave classes (or even better multistage classes) is to train people to dive autonomously. I have to say I agree: at least for the cenotes I saw (including carwash), no real reason for a guide for people who are properly trained.

 

[halocline]

full cave for everyone. Still unless your name is Mike Young or Robbie Schimtter the argument not to pay for a local dive guide is not a valid point, it could cost you your life.

Be safe

The idea that everyone has to be full cave certified to dive independently in the cavern zone is total nonsense. That’s exactly what the cavern certification is for.

 

[34109411]

The idea that everyone has to be full cave certified to dive independently in the cavern zone is total nonsense. That’s exactly what the cavern certification is for.

what i am saying is that if a gringo venture alone in a cenotes he rather be with a guide. Somewhere in the tread he was saying carwash and dos ojos are easy dive. nevert the less carwash is a overhead environment right at the beginning of the dive. Being only cavern diver will not bring you much in other to navigate on your own in the cave zone.

There is not much space in the cavern zone beside if they stay there they be maybe in max 10 feet of water will most likely create silt and be on the way or other diver who are going in and out.

Then hey if they feel like it they could go !

Be safe

 

[halocline]

what i am saying is that if a gringo venture alone in a cenotes he rather be with a guide. Somewhere in the tread he was saying carwash and dos ojos are easy dive. nevert the less carwash is a overhead environment right at the beginning of the dive. Being only cavern diver will not bring you much in other to navigate on your own in the cave zone.

There is not much space in the cavern zone beside if they stay there they be maybe in max 10 feet of water will most likely create silt and be on the way or other diver who are going in and out.

Then hey if they feel like it they could go !

Be safe

Well, you seem to be confusing a lot of issues here. The point is, the necessity of full cave certification for diving in the cavern zone to absolutely wrong.

Being only cavern diver will not bring you much in other to navigate on your own in the cave zone.

Who said anything about cavern divers diving in the cave zone? You did, nobody else.

There is not much space in the cavern zone beside if they stay there they be maybe in max 10 feet of water will likely create silt

There are huge cavern zones in Mexico. It’s hard to understand your language, but either you are not being clear or you simply aren’t familiar with the cenotes that feature cavern lines and tours.

 

[34109411]

Well, you seem to be confusing a lot of issues here. The point is, the necessity of full cave certification for diving in the cavern zone to absolutely wrong.


Who said anything about cavern divers diving in the cave zone? You did, nobody else.


There are huge cavern zones in Mexico. It’s hard to understand your language, but either you are not being clear or you simply aren’t familiar with the cenotes that feature cavern lines and tours.

the question he ask is not being certified could he go in a cenotes to save $$$ on a local guide. My whole point is you rather be at the highest level of certification in order to be safe. Story tell people will most likely venture in the cave zone without proper training and risking there lives.

Honestly if a cavern diver will like to go in the cavern zone without a guide we'll let him go i will not just do it. (In my understanding the guy is just OW for now).

Be safe

 

[Tracy]

what i am saying is that if a gringo venture alone in a cenotes he rather be with a guide.

My wife and I have been diving caves in Mexico for the last decade. We very rarely ever hire a guide. Maybe one day per trip we will hire a guide to show us a different cave we haven't dove before.

There is not much space in the cavern zone beside if they stay there they be maybe in max 10 feet of water will most likely create silt and be on the way or other diver who are going in and out.

You were referencing carwash in this statement. Have you ever been to carwash? It has one of the largest caverns I have ever seen with depths around 60'
Maybe you are thinking of the downstream side? There isn't really a cavern over there, it goes to cave very quickly.

 

[34109411]

My wife and I have been diving caves in Mexico for the last decade. We very rarely ever hire a guide. Maybe one day per trip we will hire a guide to show us a different cave we haven't dove before.

You were referencing carwash in this statement. Have you ever been to carwash? It has one of the largest caverns I have ever seen with depths around 60'
Maybe you are thinking of the downstream side? There isn't really a cavern over there, it goes to cave very quickly.

yes i ve been to car wash thats what i am saying too it does go to cave very quickly. I hope people not fully certified aren't gonna go there.

 

[Tracy]

yes i ve been to car wash thats what i am saying too it does go to cave very quickly. I hope people not fully certified aren't gonna go there.

Yeah, we are saying the opposite thing. Car wash has one of the largest caverns I have ever seen. It doesn't go to cave quickly at all.

 

[34109411]

Yeah, we are saying the opposite thing. Car wash has one of the largest caverns I have ever seen. It doesn't go to cave quickly at all.

still be carefull !