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Ok I don't own a computer, I don't use a computer, I don't even know how to work one, and they were not covered in my ow training...my question (or questions) is

1. Why did you choose to dive with a computer?

2.What do you see the benefits being?

3.Do you still use tables to plan your dive or do you soley go by the computer?

4.What do you do if your computer dies during your dive?

5. Were the use of computers covered in your ow or aow course?

I am just asking out of curiosity as I don't see the need to have one. Just wondering why others feel that they have to have them.

Thanks!
 
Wendy:
1. Why did you choose to dive with a computer?
It makes Nitrox MUCH easier. Usually more bottom time do to the 'fluid' nature of the computers calculations. IE not going to 60ft and sitting there for 60min or whatever...Your BT changes as you change your depth.

Wendy:
2.What do you see the benefits being?
See above.

Wendy:
3.Do you still use tables to plan your dive or do you soley go by the computer? .
yes, just to give me an idea of a profile incase the computer dies

Wendy:
4.What do you do if your computer dies during your dive?
Go the surface, or continue the dive on tables.

Wendy:
5. Were the use of computers covered in your ow or aow course?
Nope, but they were covered in my nitrox class.


Good Questions. All in all, I am not dependent upon my computer, as I believe no one should be, and I could easily dive without one. It's just one of those nice things to have. Besides if you haven't figured it out or not, us guys like to be seen while were playing with our computers, it just looks cool!
 
Wendy:
Ok I don't own a computer, I don't use a computer, I don't even know how to work one, and they were not covered in my ow training...my question (or questions) is

1. Why did you choose to dive with a computer?

On my first OW dives, my friends with computers got much more bottom time than I did. They "bent" the tables, whereas I had to stick to them. So I decided to get one myself.

Wendy:
2.What do you see the benefits being?

If you have a dive plan and you stick to it perfectly, you don't necessarily need a computer. But for basically all of my dives, we explore and swim at multiple depths in a way that's impossible to plan. I haven't tried the magical DIR depth averaging thing, but I probably will.. seems the only alternative. I've "bent" my tables numerous times since I got my computer, and appreciate the extra bottom time.

Wendy:
3.Do you still use tables to plan your dive or do you soley go by the computer?

I plan by rock bottom and max depth, and usually talk a bit about where we plan on going underwater. We don't plan x minutes at this depth, x minutes at this depth, etc.

Wendy:
4.What do you do if your computer dies during your dive?

Personally, I call the dive and begin my ascent, doing my safety stops, etc. Luckily for me, I carry a Sensus Pro dive logger which also logs my bottom time and dive profile, so I can continue to dive that day using the tables.

Wendy:
5. Were the use of computers covered in your ow or aow course?

No and no.

Wendy:
I am just asking out of curiosity as I don't see the need to have one. Just wondering why others feel that they have to have them.

Thanks!

It's not necessary, and I plan to get away from my need of it through [basically] experimenting with depth averaging and learning how to do it the right way in a fundies class. It's definitely helped my diving by giving me bottom time I had no other way to get.
 
Let me also add that I usually plan max dive time prior to the dive using the computer's built in plan function. I enter table data into my log and put a little note if I bend the table.
 
Ok, knowing a little about you and your diving, that you are or aim to be DIR and use a BT - i feel the question is loaded of sorts, but i will bite. I am still waiting on my computer at this time due to mailing problems, so here are the why's and my ideas on how i am going to try to plan my dives.

1. Most other people use them, we also use computers nowadays instead of typewriters, and cars instead of walking (although i have a health problem with that idea). They should run off the same kind of model as the tables that OW divers are trained in, although the actual algorithm might have certain penalties or liberalisms for your actual dive profile compared to the rigid table value, regardless of your diving attitude/style. I think it is technological advantage over the table format that tailors the actual dive to you, not a generalisation.

2. The algorithm works off your actual profile compared to a rough square profile, which can add considerably to your actual time underwater. It can give you other dive specific details, but you can also get those off a BT on your wrist (depth, max depth, ascent rate, time, temp). The advantage is that you have essentially a "table" like value in front of your to check anytime, just like you might put on your slate with your dive plan (so far with tables that is what i do and note the actual info if it was shorter than the dive plan).

3. I will use the table value, or max bottom time of the computer for the planned depth (computer (Suunto) time is less than PADI RDP) to get a feel for when i would plan to leave the bottom (if no other factors will affect, like air for instance). After the 1st dive i will assume a reduction on the table value after the SI to give me an idea of how long i can go down the 2nd+ dive, so i have an idea of bottom time again, not just relying on what is being spat out by the computer at depth. I would read across the table with my approximate dive profile (in a multi-level style) then put in my SI to find the reduction amount on the tables and check that against the computer's estimate. I understand the values from reading across the table give similar results to the wheel, with rounding, but could still be approximated. I plan my max time at depth prior to diving, i will just use the computer to keep track of my "actual" nitrogen loading and analyse this value throughout and after the dive against my plan. I will use this for actual bottom time at depth, then work my way up using the computer (initial bottom time from "tables"), but not riding the NDL's as i rise up, but in a methodical way or stops and fairly slow ascents between stops.

4. Havent got computer yet, so it would be new. Assuming a battery problem, hopefully the battery life indicator will show me that trouble coming, and replace on SI or before a longer trip. If its due to flooding, surprisingly enough i guess i wouldnt be able to use the computer for the rest of that day (assuming i could find somewhere to get it fixed). I do note various things on a slate and have a back-up watch for timing. I was thinking of getting a BT as a back-up as well, but funds are being spent oh so quickly at this time! In the future hopefully. As far as i am aware you can recall the last 9 dives on a BT, so that would be more than enough to table off a day of diving and continue (assuming i am not off the tables completely, more than likely) possibly making some assumptions and maybe taking an extra long SI and assuming an extra high ending PG before the SI. Worst case i just quit diving the day and start again the next on tables, or buy a back up more liberal computer.

5. The OW training didnt cover them too much, but we went through some stuff on multi-level and computer use in AOW as well as many other things.

I know you dont need one, and you can dive tables, i know its not officially taught that you can use tables by reading across them, and that you should buy another piece of plastic for $30-40 to do mutli-level, but it seems to match up pretty well. Its a personal decision. Wendy, what do you use to plan, just tables, or the desktop computer based planning software (i dont know if you do deco diving or not, i know you are cave or very nearly)??? When i move towards diving that requires deco, i will probably use these computer programs and use my dive computer in guage (which makes it a very pretty, but expensive BT). Will continue to discuss that with my instructor though as the time comes. I know that he runs the deco software and dives off of that info, whatever his multi-gas ($1000+) computers are telling him. But what is the real difference in planning off that software or actual tables or watching the computer, they all churn out numbers, its just that the computer churns them out based upon your actual dive profile, which hopefully is very similar to your plan.
 
As stated above dive tables offer only a square profile, that isn't how you actually dive. So the computer is much more accurate.

I don't ever check tables except when I'm teaching a class. I dive with a computer on the consul and a computer on my wrist. When I dove with one shop on Maui they attached a 3rd computert to my consul. They give everyone a computer.

One huge advantage is the safety factor. Goof up a dive and go too deep too long? A good computer will figure in your deco stops. IT will start beeping like crazy and tell you that you've reached a ceiling. You cannot go past that ceiling until you get the ok. Much nicer than trying to guess what you need to do.
 
I mostly dive a computer (currently a Uwatec SmartPro), but will only use a computer that has a built in planning program. I like the computer because it does allows quick adjustment in emergencies, aka bad navigation where U/W return is preferable, missing diver, etc.

Unlike many using a computer, I am very strict about planning a dive and diving a plan. For instance, with my SmartPro I can only plan a square profile. I see a maximum depth and an NDL (Suuntos have a really nice simulator that allows planning a multilevel dive which would be nice, but oh well). That becomes my plan. During execution, even though my NDL will change as I ascend, my plan had X minutes on it, and that's what I dive. Just like planning a NoDeco dive with tables, but the computer usually allows more time. This also makes it easy to fall back to a watch in the event of a computer failure during the dive.

In my experience many divers will start their plan that way but just dive until out of deco time (which obviously changes constantly) or air. I personally don't consider that planning a dive and diving a plan.

For repetitive dives after a failure (only happened once) I will either wait for a table washout (6 hours with PADI) or 24 hours depending on the intensity of the diving I've been doing prior to it.

Now, since my SmartPro has an adaptive algorithm and adjusts based on past diving history (last 99 dives or so they say) I will always have it on my wrist even if it's in gauge mode. Uwatecs actually take those dives into account as well when running the adaptive algorithm later to determine no-deco times.

One thing I really like is the PC interface and graphing ability of the SmartTrak. Nice to see a profile and have all the info recorded for you.

Only my Nitrox class covered the use of a computer, both air and nitrox.
 
1. Why did you choose to dive with a computer?
I limit my computer reliance to no-deco dives where bottom contours make it almost impossible to keep accurate track of average depths and where I'm trying to eke out a little more NDL time. There's no need for them on square profiles and custom tables are more comforting, if sometimes overkill.

2.What do you see the benefits being?
More accurate estimates of gas loading, longer bottom times, less thinking/more enjoying. It's also nice to be able to download profiles. I take a computer on every dive I do - recreational or technical - so that I (or the chamber doc) can see what my profile actually was and can tell you that the Oceanic algorithm is a lot more conservative than either decoplanner or GAP with the gradient factors I use.

3.Do you still use tables to plan your dive or do you soley go by the computer?
It depends - a day on the shallow reefs in Bonaire? I may forego the tables altogether and rely on my computers. Basically, you can do 60 foot dives for 60 minutes on EAN36 pretty much all day long without running into anything but OTU issues. In this case, neither computer nor tables is of much use.

4.What do you do if your computer dies during your dive?
If I'm relying on a computer to do my calculations for me, I carry two. I've never had a failure but if I was anywhere near the end of the dive I'd bail, for sure.

5. Were the use of computers covered in your ow or aow course?
In 1971? Computers were room-sized monsters and we had to walk five miles, uphill, in full gear to get to the dive site. Current PADI OW students are exposed to them, at least in principle, but the class uses tables.

Computers aren't necessary and many divers would do better to put the things down ocassionally and run their tables themselves. That said, computers have also established themselves as reliable, in terms of mechanical durability and application of theory, so it's hard to argue that the average recreational diver should abandon them. IMNSHO.
 
Wendy:
Ok I don't own a computer, I don't use a computer, I don't even know how to work one, and they were not covered in my ow training...my question (or questions) is

1. Why did you choose to dive with a computer?

2.What do you see the benefits being?

3.Do you still use tables to plan your dive or do you soley go by the computer?

4.What do you do if your computer dies during your dive?

5. Were the use of computers covered in your ow or aow course?

I am just asking out of curiosity as I don't see the need to have one. Just wondering why others feel that they have to have them.

Thanks!

i use a computer to give a more accurate profile than tables.
I do still use tables in dive planning.
If the computer fails i go to any of the usually 8 tables i carry on a single dive along with the backup bottom timer/depth gauge that is also carried
Computers were not covered in my OW class
I do not feel that i need to carry a computer but like the computer as another tool for diving. I do my deco off a computer, if it fails i go to tables and the dive plan that was established before the dive to get out of the water safely..J.D.
 
I use 2 . One is more conservetive than the other.
I use then mostly because of multi level diving which can happen very easy in a cave. Your forced to follow the conture of the cave and it gives you credit or takes away from your dive plan. Makes it easier to adjust your plan. With just the tables if you don't run a very conservetive plan you could end in deco without knowing it.
Not to mention being able to review the dive after minute by minute. It's a very handy tool.
I still do a dive plan and follow it. But the use of a computer lets me adjust it as I go.
When your in a cave you can end up bouncing and not even realize it.
Fred
 

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