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Sorry if this is in the wrong place, I don't where to put it.

What's the difference between a Reg. with a piston and one with a diaphragm?

And what would be best suited for me?
Diving a couple of times a month in waters ranging from 15C to 27C.

Thanks
 
I don't think it matters that much - it is a personal choice. But comes to diving in water less than 45 degree F, you might think about your choice of regulators. There are some who claims that diaphragm regs are better than piston regs for cold weather, which is absolutely untrue. The tried and tested sherwood line of regulators are dry air bleed piston regs - both balanced and unbalanced - which have functioned perfectly even in the artic environment. They are reasonably priced, and are easy to service. Parts are widely available. If you rented your equipment - chances are greater than 80% that you are diving with an unbalanced piston type sherwood "brut" in the tropics. In colder climates, the local dive shops around here are split between sherwood piston regs and other brands which might be diaphram.
 
Here is a quote from yourscubagear.com

How it works:

Piston vs. Diaphragm First Stage

All scuba regulators have something inside the first stage that has to move back and forth to physically open and close the valve that admits air from the tank. That "something" is a piston sliding in a smooth cylinder or a membrane that flexes back and forth.

In both cases, atmospheric pressure and a spring push against one side of the piston or diaphragm to open the valve, and air pressure in an "intermediate chamber" pushes on the other side to close the valve. That intermediate chamber connects directly to the hose and the second stage.

When you open the tank valve, high-pressure air fills the intermediate chamber until its pressure is high enough to overcome the spring plus any ambient pressure. Then the piston or diaphragm moves and the valve will close.

When you breathe, you draw air from the intermediate chamber, the pressure there drops, and spring plus water pressure now push the piston or diaphragm to the open position, letting air into the intermediate chamber until it again equalizes and closes the valve.

So which one is better--piston or diaphragm? In theory, each has advantages and disadvantages, but in reality, there is little or no practical difference in performance.
 
Thanks to both of you.

Nice and detailed too.

But as answers always lead to more questions...Balanced and unbalanced?

Im a fairly new diver, but I don't know much about equipment having just rented all the time, so sorry for all the Q's.
I'd just like to know these things because I wanna get my own kit together.
 
There is a myth that is told ALL THE TIME.... that unbalanced regulators are bad, out dated, and no one makes them. Oh, no, no, no.... don't dive that reg or don't service it. Get a new one, we have a sale right now.

Modern unbalanced regulators function quite well, at most recreational depth. I've dove the unbalanced BRUT as a rental several times down to 70 and 90 ft. Yes, they don't breath as nice as balanced regs, but it did not affect me in anyway. In shallower depth, the gain you get from a reg costing 4 times as much is likely minor. The brut's first stage is resistant to freezing at cold temperature, but not the brut's second stage, which lacks the heat redirecting fins of its related cousins (blizzard, oasis, maximus).

I am not an expert on this matter, but most of the new regs on the market today are balanced first stage. Which means that the pressure on the piston or diaphram is balanced so that the external pressure does not affect air flow into the hose from the first stage - so that your air supply is not diminished at depth. They also make a balanced second stage.... which supposedly makes breathing easier yet.

So if you have a choice, chose a regulator with a balanced first stage whenever possible. I believe that some folks prefer an unbalanced first stage for their pony bottle or backup regulator, as they are more reliable??

But the next time you rent a reg in the tropics, I'll bet you it will be the unbalanced BRUT - either the older model with the round face, or the newer one with the oval face. And I'll bet you will hardly notice a problem breathing, as long as you are shallower than 60 ft. When you have problems with these regs, it is because every other tourists have dragged them through the sand, get them caught on rocks, or smashed them under their scuba tank or fat butts.
 
From scuba diving news .com, the author apparently has a bias toward diaphram regulators.

Let's look at the various types of regulators.

The simplest and the type that has been around the longest is the piston regulator. This type of first stage (the part that connects to the scuba tank) has fewer moving parts and has simpler maintenance requirements. Another advantage of a piston first stage is it's high air flow. Typically piston regulators can generate higher air flows than other types of first stages, but this comes with a price. Piston first stages are not as reliable in colder water than other styles, but some manufacturers have incorporated various devices and technology to help prevent regulator malfunction in these conditions.

The next style of first stage is called the diaphragm style. Diaphragm first stages are the best for cold water, silty conditions, or even for salt water, as the moving parts are protected by a diaphragm. These regulators have more moving parts and can require a bit more maintenance due to their complex designs, but the reliability overrides this concern.

Some diaphragm first stages also incorporate what is known as "environmental sealing". This technology uses a second diaphragm on the first stage to give extra protection against very cold
water and under ice diving conditions. Many divers choose environmentally sealed first stages due to the fact they can be used in any type of diving circumstance.
First stages also fall into two categories of "balanced" and "unbalanced". Balanced first stages will deliver the same flow of air, no matter what the tank pressure is, while unbalanced first stages will allow less air to flow as tank pressure drops.

Unbalanced first stages are usually at the lower end of the price spectrum.
Lets' look at the second stage (the mouthpiece) next.

Most second stages can be grouped into two major types: balanced and unbalanced. There are some other features associated with the second stage that may help with a buying decision, and we'll cover those later. First, though, let's look at the unbalanced second stage.

The lever that opens the valve upon inhalation is controlled by a spring inside the second stage. In unbalanced (some refer to this type as a "mechanical") second stages, the spring is rather stiff. The advantage of this is that the second stage is less likely to flow a lot of air in "free-flow" conditions; in other words, the second stage is less likely to malfunction. The downside to an unbalanced second stage is that the air flow is reduced, consequently not as easy from which to breathe.

On balanced (sometimes referred to as "pneumatically balanced" or "air balanced") second stages, the spring used is of a lighter construction, with air balancing or counteracting the spring tension, thus making these second stages extremely easy from which to breathe. These tend to be on the high end of the price range.

Other features on many second stages include venturi assist levers, which control the direction of airflow. Sometimes these are referred to as "free flow" controls. The function of these levers is to direct the flow of air through the mouthpiece in a straight line (easiest air flow) or slightly interrupted (less likely to flow air continuously). Another feature on higher-end second stages is an adjustment knob, which controls the regulator "cracking effort"; the effort required to cause the lever/valve inside the second stage to flow air to the user.

These have some benefits, in that the user can control how easy the second stage breathes. In deeper dives, the control is opened for maximum air flow, while diving into currents requires the control to be slightly reduced so the second stage does not waste air.
Maintenance is an important issue. Remember, we are dealing with life support gear. Many manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty on their regulators, provided the original purchaser brings the regulator in for service to an authorized dealer at least once per year. The dealer will inspect and clean the regulator and replace any parts needed to keep the system in top condition, and adjusts it to factory specifications.

So to summarize, the best for all conditions would be a balanced diaphragm first stage with a pneumatically balanced second stage.

The least expensive would be the unbalanced first stage coupled with a mechanical or unbalanced second stage.
When it comes to putting a system together, manufacturers will package a first and second stage together. There are many options in the marketplace. The best idea is to consult with an expert at your local dive center for suggestions and guidance on selecting the regulator that's right for you and the conditions in which you're planning your next diving adventure.

About the author:

Colin is an accomplished underwater photographer and scuba instructor. He teaches scuba diving for The Underwater Connection with three locations in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area. His website is subsurfacephoto.com
 

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