Training Philosophy Par 3 (class and pool)

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MikeFerrara

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I decided to do these two together. I'll kind of bounce back and forth.

It seems to me that diving is like 98% just swimming around neutral (we hope). Yet the way I was taught, the way I was taught to teach and many of the classes that I've seen included very little practice at that.

We spend a lot of time just swiming neutral and working on horizontal trim and finning technique.

Of course a student needs to be able to clear water from a reg or mask so they don't drown so we get started on some of that right after putting on scuba.

At this point students can't yet stay off the bottom but I keep them prone. It's natural for us to want to be vertical but it's not the best position to dive in. Besides some students have more trouble learning to keep their balance while kneeling than they have learning to hover unless they're over weighted.

We also spend a good deal of time working on ascents and descents. These are dynamic times during the dive and it's usually when divers have problems and it's also a common time for them to be seperated. This shows up in lots of accident reports and in the early days we lost each other all the time on descent.

Through all this a student is expected to stay with a buddy. They have a hard time at first because it takes so much concentration for them just to dive. That's why we practice it though.

As we introduce individual skills we progress to doing them while staying off the bottom and with a buddy. Simple.

Once a sudent can dive a little most skills come really easy. The ones that divers sometimes have trouble doing off the bottom are mask R & R (no surpeise there) and believe it or managing a free flowing reg. We run into some cold water around here and free flows happen so I won't dive with some one who can't do this. It doesn't matter who it is or why we're doing the dive. If they can't do it they need to be in confined water.

Let's go back to the neutral swimming, trim and finning technique. This really starts in the classroom. I hear over and over how new divers can't do this. Only, I know for a fact that that's a false statement. They usually can't because they're never told how.

In class we explain the mechanics of it. What I mean is that when an objects center of buoyancy and center of gravity are the same there are no apposing forces so it'll just stay where you put it. How much weight do we need and where? How much do we want to be ditchable? It's a little more complicated in diving because as we dive things change. The tank get's lighter, wet suits compress and get less buoyant as we descend and so on. A divers boddy position effects those centers also and can be used to compensate for those other changes or to change it on purpose in order to change position.

So...we start work on boddy position and finning technique in the classroom (or at poolside) on the floor or a table..whatever.

I show some video of great divers and some not so great divers.

There's a few other things that I do to support this. One is a quick review of the DAN accident report. There's a lot that it doesn't say but it does show that buoyancy control problems and rapid ascents are often part of the equation.
What all this does in relation to a PADI text is ties together chapter 2 (equipment and buddy diving) and chapter three (emergency response and solution thinking)

Every class I teach views a video called "A Decptively Easy Way to Die". It does a great job of warning divers of the dangers of diving in overhead environments without the right training and equipment.

Of course we talk about buddy divng, communications and how to position ourselves in relation to a buddy.

We talk about how being able to maintain position while doing something especially when responding to a problem keeps things under control and even how equipment configuration can effect this.

I try to get video of students but I can't always arrange that. It's such a help though that I almost think it should be a requirement.

Dive planning in general and especially gas management gets a good going over. In 30 ft of water it might be enough to tell some one to end a dive with 500 psi left but it seems that students head right to Cozumal and dive much deeper. The point here is to make certain that you have enough gas to get both divers back to the surface in the worst case situation where one diver has lost all gas at the furthest point in the dive.

There's of course lots more details but I'll leave it there for now.
 
Mike,

i understand from what i read here and what i have read before about your classes that you teach a pretty through and good course. Not knowing the actual standards that are written as intimately as an instructor might i was wondering how PADI felt about your course, due to you not sticking with the style they advise to teach and how you yourself say you were instructed to teach in your training?

I know my instructor says he puts some leeway into his methods (bit like a diving boot camp that sends out good divers, than a machine to churn out as many divers as possible) due to his multi-agency instruction certs and that he too is a lone instructor with no LDS to try to guide his steps for him - from what he suggested and i have heard elsewhere, is that the PADI standards arent as rigid as some perceive and that it is a training misconception about the kneeling thing, like a tradition passed on from one instructor to the next. I know you have written many times about your struggles to get PADI to change their standards and that isnt really the question here, its more like did you had to massage the PADI standards that are set up to get your course to run the way you wanted and produce the kind of divers that you would like to see out in the water?

I commend you on your practices, yes it isnt the only way, but its a whole lot better than many instructors i see out there just doing the bare minimum.
 
simbrooks:
Mike,

i understand from what i read here and what i have read before about your classes that you teach a pretty through and good course. Not knowing the actual standards that are written as intimately as an instructor might i was wondering how PADI felt about your course, due to you not sticking with the style they advise to teach and how you yourself say you were instructed to teach in your training?

I have discussed these issued with PADI training consultants. They are of the opinion that I spend too much time in the classroom. They don't believe that it's important to teach trim in OW. Of course they don't teach it any place. They prefer that you use their prescriptive teaching method. Essentially you let students study on their own, go over knowledge reviews with them and administer tests with very little lecture.

I can't do it because there's so many subjects tha have a couple sentances devoted to them in the text where they need a chapter. The text also doesn't do much to tie related subjects together. While the book isn't too bad it leaves a lot for the instructor to do IMO. A good example is what they say about a weight system. they say the most important aspect is the quick release mechanism. Sure.


They weren't so clear on the skills issues. They admitted that some instructors don't understand mastery learning and take short cuts. However, these shartcuts are not standards violations so every one's happy.

For instance, the standards require a student to swim 30 ft neutrally buoyanct in CW mod 3. There isn't anything that says that you can't spend time practicing it but you don't have to. So really their stance was if your students master the skills great but...they only need to get 30 ft before they crash.

The also prefer that you put the dive today philosophy in practice. This means getting divers on the reef as fast as possible....briefing, confined water 1 and Ow dive 1 (which is a resort course) Then giving credit for what they've done and so on.

I won't go to OW until a student can dive.
I know my instructor says he puts some leeway into his methods (bit like a diving boot camp that sends out good divers, than a machine to churn out as many divers as possible) due to his multi-agency instruction certs and that he too is a lone instructor with no LDS to try to guide his steps for him - from what he suggested and i have heard elsewhere, is that the PADI standards arent as rigid as some perceive and that it is a training misconception about the kneeling thing, like a tradition passed on from one instructor to the next. I know you have written many times about your struggles to get PADI to change their standards and that isnt really the question here, its more like did you had to massage the PADI standards that are set up to get your course to run the way you wanted and produce the kind of divers that you would like to see out in the water?

There isn't anything in the standards that says that everything has to be done kneeling. It's the way we learn it, see it and then we go teach that way. There are only 2 skills that I can think of where you a required to use the bottom and that is underwater removal and replacement of the scuba unit and the fin pivot in confined water. You no longer have to actually have them touch the bottom doing a fin pivot in OW.

The constraining thing in the standards is that you're not allowed to move skills from one CW module to another. Buoyancy control isn't introduced until mod 3 and in 1 and 2 is where you're doing lots of the other skills. Naturally many instructors just sit on the bottom.

the funny thing here is that underwater swimming is required in module one but you don't get them neutral until module three. What sense does it make to do the swimming if you aren't neutral?

I had a real problem getting this to work. There's 2 parts to how I approached it. The first is that while the standards won't let me require neutral swimming until mod 3, there isn't anything in there that says that if the student is off the bottom that I have to put them on the bottom. I noticed that if I and the DM was neutral and horizontal most of the students would just do it on their own. I didn't stop them.

The other part is that as an IANTD instructor I can order the skills any way I want and that even if PADI doesn't like it and can repremand me all they want my insurance still covers me because I'm within IANTD standards and PADI can go scratch.

So I guess that depending on how you look at it, I did massage things a little to get things off the bottom earlier.

Another area that's debatable is ascents and descents. The standards never really come out and say the diver must be vertical but it does say that they must look up and reach up.

I teach divers to ascend and descend horizontally. It give greater control of movement in all directions. You move up and down with buoyancy control, you can give a quick flip of your fins and be in your buddies face or back kick a little to give him more space. Certainly if you need to look up as you approach the surface do it. If you need a wide field of vie as you get close and you think you need to get vertical...ok. But...during the rest of the ascents you need to see your buddy, maintain your position in relation to him and be able to get to him fast if you need to.

BTW, I started life as a PADI instructor and became an IANTD instructor later and we just kind of stuck with it for OW. I had been thinking about dropping my PADI membership for a long time but in the last year or so it became a no-brainer and I didn't renew the first of this year.
 
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For a long time I argued in favor of the standards basedon their "intent". Over time as I saw more of how this stuff is being taught and hearing PADI's reaction I came to believe that the standards say exactly what they intend to say and require exactly what they intend for you to do. They've been at this a long time. They know what's in the standards and how it's being used and interpreted in the field.
 
MikeFerrara:
IThe other part is that as an IANTD instructor I can order the skills any way I want and that even if PADI doesn't like it and can repremand me all they want my insurance still covers me because I'm within IANTD standards and PADI can go scratch.

BTW, I started life as a PADI instructor and became an IANTD instructor later and we just kind of stuck with it for OW. I had been thinking about dropping my PADI membership for a long time but in the last year or so it became a no-brainer and I didn't renew the first of this year.

I know my instructor is also SDI/TDI and so can do the same kind of thing under insurance and standards etc. I can see some reasons as to why you would stay with PADI as most people have heard of that and not many other agencies. I will say when we started, not long ago, that we werent sure about the other courses offered by SSI and NAUI in the shops around us - as we all know marketing is the key there.

Well you nicely answered what i was looking for, how you managed to skirt around some of the rigidity of the standards.

But i do have to ask, taking gear off underwaterin CW?? With our original instructor we didnt do that except on the surface and taking the weight belt off underwater and keeping hold of it. Since then i have taken my gear off underwater whilst staying kind of midwater, but i didnt realise that it was supposed to be in the CW section, oh well, we didnt like that LDS anyway and moved on.
 
simbrooks:
But i do have to ask, taking gear off underwaterin CW?? With our original instructor we didnt do that except on the surface and taking the weight belt off underwater and keeping hold of it. Since then i have taken my gear off underwater whilst staying kind of midwater, but i didnt realise that it was supposed to be in the CW section, oh well, we didnt like that LDS anyway and moved on.

It's required in CW 5.
 
Oh well, missed that with them then, it looked like the instructor had a slate of 4 CW dives worth of stuff to do that day and we whistled through the skills in quick time, once, within a 4 hour period in the same day, didnt see a fifth part - but that doesnt surprise me about them. Maybe i should report them, maybe PADI wouldnt care anyway, what else is in CW5?
 
simbrooks:
Oh well, missed that with them then, it looked like the instructor had a slate of 4 CW dives worth of stuff to do that day and we whistled through the skills in quick time, once, within a 4 hour period in the same day, didnt see a fifth part - but that doesnt surprise me about them. Maybe i should report them, maybe PADI wouldnt care anyway, what else is in CW5?

From memory..just weights and scuba unit off and on at the surface and the same thing on the bottom.
 
MikeFerrara:
Every class I teach views a video called "A Decptively Easy Way to Die". It does a great job of warning divers of the dangers of diving in overhead environments without the right training and equipment.

Im thinking of making a video:

A deceptively easy way to learn bouyancy control: Go Diving


MikeFerrara:
I try to get video of students but I can't always arrange that. It's such a help though that I almost think it should be a requirement.

If you video your classroom sessions you could call it:

A deceptively easy way to get bored!


I dont mean to give you a hard time Mike, but this appears to be a poorly hidden PADI bashing troll, and I expect better from you. Dont make me come up there and kick your ass! ;)
 
cancun mark:
Im thinking of making a video:

A deceptively easy way to learn bouyancy control: Go Diving

Except that I see too many diver that never get any better because of all the time practicing things that don't work and it doesn't look at all fun.

BTW, I started showing that video because of all the former students who had DM's take em into wrecks at 100 ft during their first week of diving. Many were more than swim throughs with a group of people and the DM was the only one who even had a light.
If you video your classroom sessions you could call it:

A deceptively easy way to get bored!

Well, I keep it as short as I can and still give em what they need to be able to actually dive. I tried the other way.
I dont mean to give you a hard time Mike, but this appears to be a poorly hidden PADI bashing troll, and I expect better from you. Dont make me come up there and kick your ass! ;)

Actually I didn't mention PADI anywhere in these three threads untill I responded to a direct question.

As far as kicking my butt...tell you what. I'll come down sometime. You can show me some of those nice caves then we'll get a case and go into the jungle and before, during or after the case you can give it a try. LOL
 

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