the buddie system what does it mean

[crispos]

Rosie, in my opinion, the buddy system was very good as originally contemplated, and still serves a purpose. But it has been perverted to allow more people to walk on a boat and dive.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, the "buddy" system is used on boat charters for convenience to allow everyone to dive. Pick-up buddies can be very dangerous. Even if they didn't mean to be. The difference in ability between two buddies can lead the pair into dives where one of them is not prepared.

After several "buddy from hell" dives and situations where I had to personally rescue or assist a buddy (or two), I have decided I will no longer go on boats as a "walk on" customer. So to answer your question, good buddies can do basic rescue of their other half. But bad buddies don't do rescues, and even endanger the other person.

As to what the public will pay for, in my view, most of the public don't have a clue what they should be getting when they walk into the LDS. It is up to us professionals to be responsible and make sure they come out of the door as responsible safe divers.

 

[ShakaZulu]

Rosie, in my opinion, the buddy system was
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responsible safe divers.

Diving the Yukon wreck in San Diego (100ft), when my "Circumstance Buddy" decides to do penetration. Hey I read that chapter, but have no training in Wreck Penetration. Besides that, we have no pony. So he gets stuck as he enters into this passage way, had to save the freak.............

 

[IndigoBlue]

Does this mean that your lost buddy protocol is to ignore the lost buddy and continue with the dive since you have a pony???

Buddies or circumstance (or "random buddies") can disappear only if YOU are not paying attention.

I have had a few random buddies that TRIED to disappear, but none that have actually escaped

Charlie I will brief them on 2 things before we enter the water:

1) that I donate my primary and

2) that my lost buddy procedure is to look for them 1 min then return to the surface where I hope they will meet me.

In the meantime Charlie, my pony bottle is my alternate air source, and my buddy.

 

[DORSETBOY]

Even a buddy who isn't rescue trained can help you if it is needed. Of course he/she isn't as prepared as the rescue trained, but better than being alone.

I can understand why you say this but I'd disagree.. I'd rather not dive with someone (outside of teaching) who wasn't interested in taking the time to learn and keep upto date with their rescue skills. It doesn't mean necessarily paying to do a padi course either as there are plenty of clubs folks can join with a whole host of different agencies where they can learn such skills.

I realise that everyone has to start somewhere but there's too many people diving without consideration for others!

 

[pt40fathoms]

.....and of course this is just a PADI style view.

In other agencys even the basic course involves basic rescue such as CBLs, tows and so on.

Not intended as agency bashing, more a response to the generalisation taking place here (that someone who hasnt done the rescue course lacks rescue skills).

In some agencies yes that maybe the case however other agencies do include rescue as part of the basic training therefore that statement isnt always true.

Tired diver tow, breathing off alternate air, sharing air while swimming under water, surfacing while sharing air, and-so-on ARE part of the dreaded PADI OW certification.

If you don't know what you are talking about, kindly keep your misinformation to yourself! Your zeal to bash PADI is all too evident.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Tired diver tow, breathing off alternate air, sharing air while swimming under water, surfacing while sharing air, and-so-on ARE part of the dreaded PADI OW certification.

AFAIK ... these skills, to one degree or another, are part of the curriculum of all RSTC agencies.

If you don't know what you are talking about, kindly keep your misinformation to yourself! Your zeal to bash PADI is all too evident.

What say we take the high road and not go there ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[String]

What about a controlled buoyant lift? Something pretty essential in a rescue?

Other important things such as in-water AV along with out water AV and CPR etc.

The original post stated

"how come all divers who use the buddie system aren't required to take a rescue course, since in diving your to have faith in your buddie?"

which is what i was responding to. That is a blanket statement that isnt correct. All courses to varying degrees have some rescue skills straight from basic so a divier "with no rescue course" should still be able to assist in a rescue if needed.