Sydney over Christmas

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I am from Minnesota in the US but will be in Sydney over Christmas. I am traveling with a brand new diver -- she completed her Open Water in September. I have a little more experience but not a lot. I'd like to get some diving in while we're in Sydney. Time is at a premium. I'm not really sure what my best choices are.

Are there any must-visit sites that would be appropriate for a beginning diver, somewhere I should take my friend?

Dive Center Bondi's web site talks about shore diving at North Bondi. Would it be appropriate for us to simply rent equipment and wade in? Or would we be better with a guided trip?

Does anyone care to make any particular recommendations for a dive shop to talk to? Or perhaps any dive masters who would want to hook up with us and show us around a little?
 
As your time is at a premium then I would suggest Pro-Dive Manly. They have a boat and should be able to get you to a suitable dive site if the conditions are bad elsewhere. Sites to look out for along with North Bondi are Magic Point and Long Reef Apartments. They and Dive Centre were both well run when I was last there.
 
Howdy flyer.

To give you some answers:

specific sites in Sydney - depends what you like. I wouldn't say there are any real "sell your grandmother to dive there" sites. There are various good pretty easy ocean dives, with a nice mix of macro life (lots of nudibranchs, eels, little shrimp, that sort of thing) and some bigger verterbrates and invertebrates. To give you an example - I did a night dive last night at a place called Shelley Beach in Manly (at the North Head entrance to Sydney harbour). We saw a wobbegong (type of shark), an enormous eagle ray in the shallows, a couple of dozen smaller rays/skates/stingarees, a couple of octopus, couple of cuttlefish, one moray eel, some pretty good size flatheads, and a collection of smaller fish, including a little yellow barracuda that decided to attack my torch! And all that was a max depth of 10m, cruisy dive, no real current, vis about 5-10m, water 17 degrees c. I'd say that's a reasonably typical Sydney dive.

There is a site called Magic Point (boat dive out of Botany Bay, about 10km south of the CBD), which has a cave full of grey nurse sharks - harmless, but properly "sharky" looking, and up to 3m. There's also a few places where you can find weedy sea dragons, which are pretty amazing creatures.

North Bondi isn't the easiest site around. Not hard, but not totally straightforward either. I wouldn't recommend just jumping straight in there with no knowledge of conditions, esp in rental gear. If you do want to do that totally on your own, then I'd head to Camp Cove (inside the harbour, but near the mouth so vis generally decent) - that's a very easy site, shallow, easy nav, hardly any current, potential to see some sea horses.

In terms of timing, the summer is nicer in terms of water temp, but worse in terms of vis. And critter-wise - fewer sharks, but some tropical fish come down instead.

As far as shops go - there are plenty of good ones around: Pro Dive have outfits in Coogee, Manly and Cronulla (bit far out of the CBD), and they're very professional. Frog Dive in Willoughby (just north of the CBD) are a good mob. There's a shop called Plunge Diving at Chowder Bay, inside the harbour, who have a private jetty you can dive right off. It's a hit and miss kinda site - very much muck diving, so you have to be patient and observant. Last time I was there we had a great one though - some beautiful pipefish, quite a few flounder, and most excitingly an anglerfish out for a walk! Abyss diving are also very popular, and have good gear and set up, though I find their DMs to be a bit more full of bravado than I would like - last time I went with them they insisted on picking up sharks left right and center. Not cool IMHO.

I suppose the shop and sites you choose will depend on where you're staying to an extent.

Hope that answers some of your questions. If you've got gear, or wanted to just rent it and not go with a shop, I'd be happy to take you out for some dives. Always like to share the joys of Sydney diving. (Last night's dive was with a bloke just in from California who seemed to like the tour!)

One last thing - you've made a wonderful choice for a holiday. This is truly great city, and a nice place for christmas. :)
 
Thanks for the replies so far. They're very helpful.

I have more info now that I've talked to my travel partner / boss-lady. We're staying in St. Ives, so the north side of town appears to be more easily visited for us.

I'm bringing some gear but will rent tanks and weights. The boss-lady will be renting when she goes.

Right now she's trying to get me to go do something more challenging without her on Thursday, 22 December then she'll join me for something easier Friday or Saturday. I've only 30 dives myself, so "challenging" is a relative term.

I see that I have a fortune of choices. How is the diving in the bay as compared to for instance the shore diving at Manly? It sounds like the wharf dive from Plunge maybe isn't my first choice, but Michael McFadyen calls the shore dives at Manly "dull".

Cam Snapper -- if schedules work, I'd absolutely love to go out with a local.

A bit more about me -- I'm an old fart -- 49 year old, pear-shaped computer geek. I live in Minnesota, also known as The Great Frozen Tundra. I certified back in the early 1990s with my open water dives in the middle of October. Water temperature the first day was 45 F with 42 F the second day. (7.2 and 5.5 C respectively). Air temperature when we entered the water Sunday morning was below freezing. We're a hardy bunch of up here and darned vain about it :-)

Over the years I go diving when I can -- which is rare. Diving the lakes here frankly is dead boring, so by and large I only go diving when I'm somewhere salty. I completed my Adv. Open Water certification in Barbados in June 2010, first time diving in over 10 years. I haven't been diving since but will do some sort of refresher course before leaving Minnesota.
 
Shelly beach and bare island are the best places for novice divers... there are always courses being run on the sites. Use your broad Minnesotan accent and ask where the best places are to dive, someone should be able to help you.

Shelly beach is a great spot, head on on the right hand side of the beach, follow the wall out on your right on the way out, then just do a U-Turn and come back... as for "dull" I worked there as a DM for last summer, i have probably dived the site 50-60 times... while sometimes uneventful i wouldn't call it dull. there are always friendly groupers and usually a cuttlefish, then heaps of fish, wobbegongs, port jacksons, juvenile bronze whalers (if they're still there)... it's like any site, sometimes on fire, sometimes a veritable dust bowl.

bare island similar, head out to the island along the bridge jump in either side and go... vis can be average here...

boat dives - the HMAS Adelaide is a good one, but just north of sydney. many shops service it. it is an ADVANCED dive though, and dive operators will ask for your advanced certification.

I dive with Frogdive Willoughby, so I'm bias, but check them out... good boat dives are old mans hat and blue fish point (the later being my fav), the apartments and the wall are also good dives. all open water certification level (18m)
 
Bare is a good bet with multiple entry points. The direction of wave and swell determine the best entry point. Lots to see there and Sydney Dive Academy is just up the road. They have regular dives there and Peter Cross can probably set you up with a good buddy. I've done a heap of dives there and never been bored yet!

Frog Dive Willoughby is a good option as well with their guided dives every weekend.

What are the dates you will be in town?
 
Okay, things are coming together. I definitely appreciate all the info y'all are sharing with me.

We arrive in the morning on Wednesday 21 December. We travel to Hobart on Thursday, 29 December, so have basically a week to fit a lot in around Sydney, including Christmas.

The Lady intends to spend Wednesday and Thursday with her daughter (her children #2 and #3 still live in Australia). She lived in Sydney for 11 years but this is my first time to Australia, so we have somewhat different goals. I'm trying to figure out how to fit everything in.

I think I will go diving without The Lady either Wednesday afternoon or (far more likely) Thursday morning and diving with The Lady on Friday. I am also playing with diving sometime Saturday and/or Sunday morning. Plus we are negotiating a drive to Jervis Bay either Tuesday or Wednesday -- and I'm wondering whether that offers a dive opportunity.

Also on the list: a day in the Blue Mountains (Monday) and a day taking the train to the area around the opera house, then the ferry out to Manly. I also want to do a day trip north to the Central Coast area. I could see doing that after the Thursday morning dive without The Lady.
 
Jervis Bay has some very good diving ... most of it Boat dives and they normally need a minimum number of people to go out (last time i was there they needed 4)
 

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