Reverse dive profiles

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One thing that I was always told during scuba training was that your deepest dive for the day is your first dive of the day, and each dive therafter are to be progressively shallower. This seems to be a common thing among all certification agencies.

However, I cannot find a reason why. In fact, I have only been able to find a reason why not.

So, are reverse dive profiles dangerous, and if so, why?
 
There's also another article too but it's a little controversial! :wink:
 
As an industry, we tend to do things in the margin of safety. Diving with partners, redundant air and other equipment, etc. When we, especially when we do repetitive diving, one of the most important functions of our dive plan revolves around nitrogen absorption. When we make our first dive we limit our down time based on our maximum depth. During our surface interval, we calculate next down time based on our total surface interval and the depth that we will dive. Why, because we want to keep a check on our nitrogen absorption. By making our repetitive dives shallower then the last, just keeps that partial pressure of nitrogen down, reducing the of nitrogen absorbed, and reducing the total residual nitrogen in our system. It for safety reasons so that we have less of a chance of DCS.

We also have to remember that the tables and computers are guides, not laws. Everyone absorbs and sheds nitrogen at different rates. Age, circulatory function, respiratory function, underlying medical conditions will all affect the rate that nitrogen is released. So it’s only natural that we take as much precaution, and add safety to our dives. By the way, most computers do a pretty good job at monitoring/adjusting for you during a reverse dive profile, but remember, we’re all different and it’s only a guide.

Can we do reverse dive profiles? Yes, the SCUBA Police will not come and arrest you. But, you have to be more concerned that you do not overstay your welcome. Remember, the deeper your, the less down time your going to have, the shorter the amount of remaining time your going to have when you start up (because your going to try to squeeze as much time in as you can, statistically speaking), the more nitrogen that going to be in your system, and lets hope you have enough air to do your safety stop.

So with that said, don’t do the reverse dive profile for the safety factor, and if you do, just lean more to the conservative side.

Stay well and dive safe

Bill
:) :)
 
SCUBAMedicBill once bubbled...

Can we do reverse dive profiles? Yes, the SCUBA Police will not come and arrest you. But, you have to be more concerned that you do not overstay your welcome.

Not "over staying your welcome" has nothing to do with reverse profiles. Plan your dive, dive your plan.


Remember, the deeper your, the less down time your going to have, the shorter the amount of remaining time your going to have when you start up (because your going to try to squeeze as much time in as you can, statistically speaking), the more nitrogen that going to be in your system, and lets hope you have enough air to do your safety stop.

Hope you have enough air for your safety stop?! This is silly. Again I cite good dive planning.


So with that said, don’t do the reverse dive profile for the safety factor, and if you do, just lean more to the conservative side.

You haven't shown it's a safety issue...

Did you read the links?
 
cornfed once bubbled...
Have you figured out what I meant by playing with the tables yet?

Actually, no I haven't. I did a calculation of:

70ft for 20 minutes; 1:00 surface interval, 50ft for 20 minutes...

I was able to make all calculations using my dive table. How do reverse diving tables make it tricky?
 
ScubaJeep once bubbled...


Actually, no I haven't. I did a calculation of:

70ft for 20 minutes; 1:00 surface interval, 50ft for 20 minutes...

That's not a reverse profile.

In general, reverse profiles will give you less total bottom time.
 
Woops, my bad. I meant 20min@50ft, 1:00 surface interval, and then 20min@70ft...

It calculates to E pressure group after the first dive, then to B after surface interval, and then N after the second dive.

Are the tables misleading when reversed, or am I not doing something right?
 
ScubaJeep once bubbled...

It calculates to E pressure group after the first dive, then to B after surface interval, and then N after the second dive.

Are the tables misleading when reversed, or am I not doing something right?

I don't have my tables with me but your pretty far off the NDL with that example, aren't you?

Try a little more agressive plan and see what happens.

PS Don't give pressure groups without stating which tables you used because SSI, PADI, etc are all different.
 
Woops, my bad. I meant 20min@50ft, 1:00 surface interval, and then 20min@70ft...

It calculates to E pressure group after the first dive, then to B after surface interval, and then N after the second dive.

Are the tables misleading when reversed, or am I not doing something right?
ScubaJeep, according to the PADI tables, after the first dive with an hour surface interval, you would be in group B. Now when you follow that over to the repetetive table, it shows you an RNT of 9 and an adjusted no-deco limit of 31 for the next dive. Take the RNT and add it to your bottom time of the second dive to get 29 for your actual bottom time ABT. Your cutting it pretty close to the no-deco limit for recreational diving IMHO. If you flipped those dives around then you would have a 26 minute margin instead of 2 minutes in the adjusted no-deco limit. Try it out on the Navy tables and see how it compares.
 
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