questions and differenced on the ANDI curriculum?

[Spoon]

Guys i have already decided not to take the tech1 course with gue and take the courses with either Andi or Tdi. question is i have two instructors one for andi and one for tdi and both are equally qualified i just have some questions about the courses. My goal for this year it to do some technical wrecking so naturally i will have to take the necessary prerequisties. either or i will have to choose between the two agencies. Is ANDI a relatively new?

With andi i will have to take the complete safe air-user(advanced nitrox) course followed by the technical safe air-user(technical nitrox). im a bit confused about the technical nitrox

After we’ve completed the theoretical and skill exercises for the Complete SafeAir, we can move on to the Technical SafeAir Course. We will be using twin-tanks w/manifolds & isolator valves, a side-mounted travel mix, and another side-mounted deco-tank. Theory or academics will be around 14 – 16 hours (spread out over the duration of training), another “skill-exercise dive”, and a minimum of 4 decompression dives as practicum. The ANDI standards for the Technical SafeAir Training Course are as follows: Max Course Depth – 50m; Min Course Depth – 30m; Max Deco Run Time – 30 mins; Max PO2 Deco – 1.60 PO2; Bottom Gas limits O2 – 1.45 PO2; Bottom Gas Limits N2 – 4.5 PN2; Min Bottom Time – 80 mins; Min Run Time – 120 mins; Prerequisite – Adv. Nitrox level.



Why dont other agencies have the technical nitrox course or is this equivalent with TDI's deco procedures?


Decompression Procedures
This course examines the theory, methods and procedures of planned stage decompression diving. The objective of this course is to train divers how to plan and conduct a standard staged decompression dive not exceeding a maxium depth of 150fsw/45msw unless taught in conjuction with advanced nitrox, Extended Range or Advanced Wreck Courses. The most common equipment requirments, gear set-ups, decompression techniques and decompression mixtures (including oxygen and nitrox) are presented.

this is all very confusing. the tech wreck courses of both seem pretty much the same. can i get any inputs from those who have taken these courses from ANDI?

 

[Hawaii Scuba Divers]

Both are great and the Instructor that you can work with the Best is the one to use Aloha Mark.

 

[Spoon]

Both are great and the Instructor that you can work with the Best is the one to use Aloha Mark.

they are both great instructors i am just wondering why the two agencies would structure their courses differently. i never even heard of a technical nitrox course before.

 

[Jason B]

I'm pretty sure that the 'technical nitrox' is the same as TDI's 'advanced nitrox'. Pretty much covering 40-100% mixes and uses.

 

[Spoon]

I'm pretty sure that the 'technical nitrox' is the same as TDI's 'advanced nitrox'. Pretty much covering 40-100% mixes and uses.

but TDI has an advanced nitrox course as well .

IF i go tdi i will have to take ADVanced nitrox + Deco procedures before the tech wreck.

if i go ANDI its advanced Nitrox followed by technical nitrox before tech wreck.

 

[daniel f aleman]

It's the old Extended Range type course that delt with deep air and deco combined somewhat with the old Decompression Procedures. NAUI and TDI are shifting to other courses that do not feature deep air. NAUI has Helitrox and Heliox, other agencies use Advanced Nitrox or Technical Nitrox. This is one of the reasons that before you start Gas Tech courses you need find the best instructor that you can, and stick with him. You don't want to pay for duplication across agencies. Then you can pick a Wreck instructor...

 

[Pumpkin King]

This thread:
http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=97330
has a good review of exactly what is covered by the CSU course. TSU seems to me to be 40%-100% and more advanced gas management techniques. ANDI introduces task loading such as multiple mixes and gas switching throughout the course, and so does not require a separate deco procedures class.

*Disclaimer* I have not taken these classes, just looked seriously at their training ladder.

 

[Spoon]

This thread:
http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=97330
has a good review of exactly what is covered by the CSU course. TSU seems to me to be 40%-100% and more advanced gas management techniques. ANDI introduces task loading such as multiple mixes and gas switching throughout the course, and so does not require a separate deco procedures class.

*Disclaimer* I have not taken these classes, just looked seriously at their training ladder.

thanks! its a good thing i did my homework. i like what ANDI brings to the plate their courses seem much more comprehensive than other agencies.

 

[padiscubapro]

thanks! its a good thing i did my homework. i like what ANDI brings to the plate their courses seem much more comprehensive than other agencies.

Hello Spoon,

ANDI is one of the oldest technical training agencies out there.. Most of the heads of the current agencies (or founders) were originally trained By ANDI..

All the ANDI programs are academically intensive.. There are no quickies...

ANDI had the first complete Nitrox training program for instructors and divers.. and was founded in 1988, IANTD came about around 1991, and TDI about 1994..

Tom M. was an ANDI IT befor he took over IAND and formed IANTD.. Bret G. was an ANDI instructor, Hal W. was an ANDI IT before he started PSA, Joe O. was an ANDI IT before he went with Bret G. And the list goes on.....

The ANDI CSU class in content is more complete than any of the other agencies nitrox plus advanced nitrox but only certifies to 50% because its a recreational class and there is no need for 100% there.. TSD instroduces full deompresssion training and stress managment and certifies to 100%..

There is a technical trimix, that is the same skill level as TSD but adds trimix without increasing depths.. This is meant as an endpoint for those that dont want to go deeper than 50m. This is not part of the normal progression.

The next class would be extended range.. Its not about going deeper but learning how to do mission oriented dives, with unlimited deco and gear configurations..

The next class is full trimix.. no depth, run time or gear limits.

In the phillippines you have a few experienced ITs at your disposal.. I can highly recommend George May and Matt Caldwell.. I don't have experience with the other Its and instructors in the Phillippines..

 

[Hyper-limits]

I took most of my technical training throught ANDI from CSU to TMD.

My instructor was very good and the course content was excellent.
Saying that there is a few thing that could make ANDI better than it is.
Why not replace the Extended Range course with an Normoxic Trimix course or make the TTD as a normal progression by introducing unlimited deco and maximum depth to 200ft, IMO the ERD course is a thing of the past.
The CSU manual is one of the best manual on nitrox diving.
The ERD and TMD manual is also good but it is a bit dated, any plan to update the manual in the near future?
Overall I like ANDI I may even become an Instructor for them one day.

Cheers

Al