PADI AOW Class: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

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Wijbrandus

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Sorry, this got a bit longer than I thought it would.

Completed my PADI AOW class this weekend. Here's my trip report broken into three sections. I'm really not too sure what to make of it all now that it's said and done...

THE GOOD:
Classroom sessions were conducted by an instructor I know, as well as two DM candidates, one of whom I know from the outside. Four students, we were all focused and serious on the materials we had to learn. Did our work, did our pool, and went about our business.

Open water was conducted at Homestead Crater, UT. It's a hot spring inside a small volcano-style dome. Entry is through a tunnel and off a dock. Simple cylinder shape, 65' deep, no cavern exits to get lost in. 96F water, poor vis. Nice environment to dive in. Oh, and 6000 ft alt for the tables. Woo hoo.

We were able to do an "Adventure Dive" on nitrox, since I haven't certified in it yet. Was interesting. I like it, much more energy when all is said and done. Looking forward to the cert now.

THE BAD:
First sign things weren't going to go well was when I found out that my instructor and the DM I knew didn't come to the OW part. The other DM from the class was assigned to the Rescue group. I was diving with an unknown instructor. Also, only my dive buddy was there from class. The two students I went through class with were replaced by two people I'd never met. Joy. The instructor turned out to be ok. The other students I'll get to.

Our first dive was to 60' down. At the bottom, my inflator starts a slow leak. I disconnect the inflator hose and continue the dive. On the surface, I can't find anything wrong with it, but it does it again on the next dive, so I continue the weekend on manual. Consider it a learning experience, and by the end of the weekend I've got the best bouyancy of my group. Go me. All on manual. Using a Halcyon Eclipse, first dives in open water. Will go back to LDS this weekend to get repaired. Was offered the use of a rental jacket, but there's no way they are getting me into one of those again after I've tasted the dark side. Was able to don the bpw through the overhead method solo, and I'm very glad I can. Heavy load, but so easy to don that way. Recieved no flak about using bpw, just a lot of strange looks.

THE UGLY:
The other students were Guy and Gal. Guy was great. Studying to be a reef conservation biologist or something. Very decent diving, good buddy skills. He was partnered with Gal. This lady had major issues. First, she was diving with a brand new computer. Gal didn't even RTFM. She expected the DM to teach her her own computer. First sign of problem. She is certifying on nitrox as well. She has had shoulder surgery and couldn't move any of her equipment, so she designated the DM her slave to move gear all over (I can deal with this part. Annoying, but understandable). No bouyancy control: every action she did resulted in a steady plummet to the depths below with the DM trying to catch up to her. Seems she can't keep a steady depth without something to hang onto. Roto-tiller kicks, I've never really understood the term until now. However, she was quick to tell us how many places she had been diving, and had an opinion on everything the DM had to say, and how she'd be glad to help us out with anything we need. Nice enough lady, but just off her rocker I think.

Finally, after we were done diving, doing our logs together, and she STILL doesn't know how to use her computer or her tables (this is the end of day 2), let alone the freaking wheel, so I ask her if she did any class work. Her reply was that she did her AOW and Nitrox coursework over a six hour span in ONE DAY, and so she just glossed over tables. After all, she uses a computer, what does she need tables for? I am floored. I just walk away, packed up, and my buddy and I went home.

My feelings on the trip:

I am surprised that the instructor and the LDS did not tell this lady she was not ready for these dives. Her skills are simply not up to par. She is a danger to herself, and is completely blind to the problem, believing that the DM will take care of her. I will be talking to the LDS about this today when I return the gear, but I don't expect any reasonable response. I am beginning to see why people call it Put Another Dollar In since it seems any idiot with cash can get a cert now. I'm very disappointed in this, as I spent a lot of time with my dive buddy making sure our skills were up to what I thought we needed to have. Guess I should have spent all that time and money on more dangling equipment from the LDS. >:(

I am actually happy I had a lp inflator issue. Not only do I now feel much more comfortable with manual inflation, my bouyancy skills improved dramatically without the "crutch" of a power inflator. I'm a little bummed that my bpw isn't perfect, but that's going to be fixed I'm sure.

That's it. Thanks for reading this far if you made it.
 
Boogie711:
You know what? I know there's enough PADI bashing on this board, but after reading a post like that, I don't wonder why.
I've seen the same with SSI and NAUI - it is not common just to PADI - although you see alot more of it with PADI due to the numbers...
 
Wijbrandus:
Completed my PADI AOW class this weekend.
Same level as me give or take a couple of dives!

Wijbrandus:
Open water was conducted at Homestead Crater, UT.
Think i saw a show on this, looks like bathwater, ummmm good. BTW, did you do all your dives in the crater? What about the "deep" one?

Wijbrandus:
We were able to do an "Adventure Dive" on nitrox, since I haven't certified in it yet. Was interesting. I like it, much more energy when all is said and done. Looking forward to the cert now.
The cert is easy enough, a few calculations and some principles/problem solving - and you can then get nitrox fills.

Wijbrandus:
First sign things weren't going to go well was when I found out that my instructor and the DM I knew didn't come to the OW part.
We had this in our OW class, we didnt actually have an formal class time beyond quickly glancing over the knowledge review answers and taking the exam, then we had one guy, who wasnt so great for the day in the pool and another guy who did the checkout dives.

Wijbrandus:
At the bottom, my inflator starts a slow leak. I disconnect the inflator hose and continue the dive. On the surface, I can't find anything wrong with it, but it does it again on the next dive, so I continue the weekend on manual.
Did you check for grit or other particles either on the female LP inflator hose or on the male wing hose? Or of course, were any connections loose?

Wijbrandus:
I am surprised that the instructor and the LDS did not tell this lady she was not ready for these dives. .... I am beginning to see why people call it Put Another Dollar In since it seems any idiot with cash can get a cert now.
I think you answered your own question and essentially i would think that the LDS is after the money even if they arent pumping out good divers (not a comment on you), do you have any others in the area? I think a lot of people have trained with people like Gal at times, and try not to again! After looking around though for a better instructor i found another one from PADI who is a whole lot better! Again its not the agency per se, its the instructor's methods of teaching, the agency doesnt help, but some instructors do go for the base denomination of teaching - avoid them. I cant see this turning into an agency bashing debate, seriously ;)
 
Will wait to decide... good or bad...

Hubby and I just started AOW. Our OW with LDS was NOT inspiring....

Doing AOW with a different LDS but through local community college. Intructor is certainly better. Very open to questions etc. Thursday will be first pool session... so it will be interesting... only one instructor though and about (let me count...) I think about 20 students..... hmmm... well, I will see how it goes and let you all know... :)
 
I think this is more of an issue with the dive SHOP for allowing people that don't know this to continue that far. In PADI's program she should have already learned the tables in her OW like most of us did.

I think the dive shop/instructors need to realize they are putting lives in danger when they allow people to slack off.
 
I have said this in other threads but this is a perfect example. The actions, questions, care, interest, (etc.) from the student will determine to a great extent what he/she learns from certification training. (This is perhaps totally obvious but to put it on "paper"....) As you have learned you can be a nightmare diver and still get certified. Or you can be a great student and learn a ton from courses and get tremendous value from it.

--Matt
 
I have come to the conclusion that AOW refers to Advanced training NOT Advanced skills. If the skills were required they would require significantly more dives as a pre-requisite. For example, just because you have been below 60 ft. once or twice doesn't make you a good deep diver.
 
spiderman:
For example, just because I have been below 60 once or twice doesn't make you a good deep diver.

Yes it does. I'm a very good deep diver regardless of how many dives you've done. ;) :D

Marc
 

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