Low air/No air situations

Have you ever run out of air on a dive? (answers not public)

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 17.2%
  • No

    Votes: 140 82.8%

  • Total voters
    169

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emcbride81

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I have a question. As I was watching some training DVD's as well as Into The Blue (love that movie) I noticed that anytime someone was out of air, it happened as if it caught them by suprise. I remember in my pool training we had our air cut off to feel what it was like, but we also had it cut down to a very low level to feel what low air felt like. When we were very low, breathing was very difficult. So, in the real world, wouldn't you notice that change in breathing difficulty before you hit 0 psi? I realize the movie and the training stuff was made for visual effect, but just curious.

I think this needs a poll too! :)
 
Remember, it's Hollywood. Everything is more dramatic for effect. You would certainly notice a change in breathing effort before you were completely out of air.
 
emcbride81:
..., it happened as if it caught them by suprise. ...wouldn't you notice that change in breathing difficulty before you hit 0 psi?


It should happen by surprise. If you plan your dive correctly, you should not run out of gas. Any instance of OOG situation should be a surprise one.

But yes, you do notice the draw of gas getting more difficult.
 
Meng_Tze:
It should happen by surprise. If you plan your dive correctly, you should not run out of gas. Any instance of OOG situation should be a surprise one.

But yes, you do notice the draw of gas getting more difficult.




Very true. Good point!
 
Breath a tank dry sometime. You might be surprised at how little change in breathing effort you notice until the last breath or two.
 
Meng_Tze:
It should happen by surprise. If you plan your dive correctly, you should not run out of gas. Any instance of OOG situation should be a surprise one.

But yes, you do notice the draw of gas getting more difficult.
How it feels somewhat depends on the reg you are using, some get a bit easier to breath until you hit the magic number of the low pressure air. That change can be sudden and dramatic.. your not completely out of air... but it may feel like it.

The old days with a J valve were very different... as you would look for the hard to breath and then pull the lever... and hopefully the lever was actually in the right position..
 
MikeFerrara:
Breath a tank dry sometime. You might be surprised at how little change in breathing effort you notice until the last breath or two.
Agreed, we are talking about OOG, not low on gas.....
 
MikeFerrara:
Breath a tank dry sometime. You might be surprised at how little change in breathing effort you notice until the last breath or two.
On the other hand, you might be surprised at how much warning you do get :)
Depends on your regulator, your depth, tank size and your own personal sensitivity to things. On an AL80, for example, with a Conshelf in shallow water, even the most insensitive diver will get plenty (several minutes) of warning that air's getting low. With a Legend at 100', even the most sensitive diver will get no more than a 6 - 10 breath warning, and the "average" diver will probably only get three or four.
Either way, breathing a tank dry at depth (not the one on your back! You carry your "test tank" along as an extra piece of gear) is something that you may find beneficial.

** Before trying this drill at depth, you must be comfortable, have practiced in the shallow end of the swimming pool, and have a qualified buddy with whom you've practiced **


Use the type regulator and size tank you normally do. I always use a tank that's due for a VIP for this drill. Start at something around 300 psi so you'll get a few "normal" breaths before hitting IP in the tank. At the end of the exercise, switch back to your regular backgas and start a normal ascent. Do not descend any deeper, or you may get water in your LP hose, the first stage, or even the tank. About half way to the surface, try clearing the reg on the "empty" tank and taking another breath from it. Repeat this when back on the boat or back ashore. You'll most likely be pleasantly surprized at the result.
VIP the tank before refilling it just to make sure you didn't get any water in it. If you did, overhaul your regulator too.
(By making sure I only get shallower after breathing a tank down like this, I've never had any problem with water in the reg or tank).
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The way the question's worded for the poll, my answer is yes. The way I think the question is intended, (running out of gas accidentally), the answer's no.
Rick
 
How could I ever run out of air on a dive? My air integrated wireless computer keeps me safe by beeping when it is time to go up.
 
Rick Murchison: That sounds like a great idea. I've been practicing emergency ascents with an instructor and can't get over how much compressed air expands in your lungs as you ascend. But I simply cannot wrap my head around how air will compress and expand as you go up and down when it is in a metal cylinder. Guess it's old age or something.
 

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