Log Books

[wolf eel]

Does a log book stand up in court. When used as a "C" card.

 

[scubasean]

Does a log book stand up in court.

For what purpose? And which court? (You are in Canada. I'm in the US)

 

[wolf eel]

Thats funny I thought I dithched that.

Anyhow it really should not matter as liability is about the same on both sides. In most case's but you get bigger sums paid.

The point is I keep hearing how a log book is as good as a "C" card and that if I showed up with just a Log book I could take a quick course and recieve a "C" card.

The other end of this is If I let you dive off my boat and you only produce a log book and then you screw up as a solo diver am I going to get a beating in court because I based all information about you with only your log. And no way of knowing if you had indeed taken a course. ? The more we except the solo diving then we become more liabil because we have shown how dangerous it can be. By having course's. Like putting up a sign on the gate saying "beware of dog' that say's you know you have a nasty dog. And become liabil for it's action all the faster.


Cheers
Derek

 

[hvulin]

You should check with you local attorney...
In Croatia for example we have a law saying that no diving is allowed without a gov. issued card (which can only be bought if you have a valid card of one of the approved agencies) - so no diving with only a logbook

offtopic: our law is actually much worse since it only permits diving with dive centers (commercial) or dive clubs (noncomm.) - no "me myself and I" diving is allowed!

 

[Diver0001]

....snip....

The point is I keep hearing how a log book is as good as a "C" card and that if I showed up with just a Log book I could take a quick course and recieve a "C" card.

In the PADI system this most certainly is *not* the case. A logbook is not proof of qualification for anything and to get a C card having only a logbook as proof of experience then you'll have to take the whole course.

R..

 

[underwater daphne]

actually i just did my efr and am doing my rescue now and none of the instructors has seen a card or a log book. kinda weird now that i think of it.

 

[Walter]

Depends on the local law and the whim of the jury. In the US, neither is required by law. Personally, I trust logs more than cards, since most training is sadly lacking in quality.

 

[scubasean]

actually i just did my efr and am doing my rescue now and none of the instructors has seen a card or a log book. kinda weird now that i think of it.

But, I'll bet you have to put down a cert number and cert date on your application, which can be verified by the agency certifying you in rescue...

 

[underwater daphne]

yes, of course. but that would mean that they only find out if i can dive after i've filled out the form. until then we'll have been diving at least twice together. well it doesn't really matter, but just saying.

 

[wolf eel]

[In the US, neither is required by law. Personally, I trust logs more than cards, since most training is sadly lacking in quality.]

They are not requiered by law here either but it is requiered by the insurer.

The Law as to say is our own. That is why a "C" card is improtant. I most defenetly agree as for the lacking of true course's and it is true a log book tells more but the two give you credit in court that you at least checked.

Something like this. Not in the P.A.D.I system

That is the point as I have had a barrage of e-mails saying P.A.D.I is the one to give you your cert card this way do you not agree?

Cheers
Derek