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macgyver2258

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I have a problem I just wanted to shed light on about local dive shops (LDS). Recently I was in the hunt for a dry suit. My LDS gives me a discount because of “continuing education” on my purchase but after trying out his suit I wasn’t happy with it. I received a good chuck of money from the family over the holidays to put towards this purchase. My parents (who have no clue about diving) 60+yrs had some great advice, go try out some others and pick the best one. So I tried 2 more manufactures and settled on another brand than my LDS can sell. So I went across town to purchase this suit.
I walk in to this shop which was impressive and I inform the owner I would like to purchase this product. (This is the closest place for this brand of suit). He asks me the usual questions and follows it up with; “What is your height and weight?” I respond, and his quote is “you can be on my dive team”. (He wasn’t making a pass at me) His ego was so big. He proceeded to tell me he is the greatest diver around and all that other hoopla. Then he asked questions about the LDS I normally dive with and he proceeded to talk them down. So at this point I was like measure me, let’s get this over with. Then he asks what kind of gear I dive. I answer, he then tells me I dive all the wrong gear for all the wrong reasons, shows me his rig and says, “this is what you need at 300+ feet in our area.” Let me clue you in, I just started diving last May and only have 70 dives to my credit and a basic nitrox cert. So my 300+ days are nowhere in sight. Everything was about his dive team and his way.
Considering it’s a 2 hour drive to the next dealer I bought the suit from him, which he informed me I have to take the dry suit specialty with him. Here is a guy I don’t want to listen to anymore, (I zone him out like I do my wife sometimes) and when this suit comes in we go on a few dives. I don’t like egos, actions speak louder than words and you only get to make a first impression once.
My LDS has also on occasion talked down about the other shops in the area, including the one I went to the buy the suit, like he has this whole business figured out. I’m looking for a shop where the welcome sign reads “please check your ego at the door” or “all opinions accepted here”. I feel that this is just a myth. When my LDS says negative things about others it helps me paint a bad picture of him. I mention that I want to take DIR-F (which is shunned upon at this shop)or maybe some advanced training he doesn’t offer, and he makes me feel like I’ve been disbanded from the church.
Why do shops do this? I mean no shop carriers every brand so when we buy something inevitably we must go somewhere else to find it. I will take advanced training at some point, so in meantime I will look for shops in the state I feel comfortable with. Have any of you had any similar experiences? Are there any board members that live in western Michigan and know of a shop that isn’t like this. Also should I waste the time to write the manufacturer of the dry suit and tell them about the need for another dealer in the area, and how I was treated by this LDS? Like I said earlier, I’m new and this is a learning experience so any lessons, comments, and concerns will be appreciated.
 
Fear.
Some LDS owners aren't afraid to dive to 300+ feet, but wake up at night with the terrors at going out of business due to competition (the internet, other LDS). Pity them.
BTW, are your 60+ parents divers, or do they usually go shopping for you, and do they need another son??? :eyebrow:
 
Just wanted to commend you on not jumping aboard his ego train. Sounds like the classic example of someone trying to make up for inadequacies in other areas ;).

It really makes me mad when dive shop owners or educators throw that kind of crap around. They're supposed to make people WANT to dive, not get them all paranoid or prove what a macho expert they are. May this remain a lone occasion in your diving adventures (and I'm crossing fingers for you that you don't have to buy more stuff from that idiot in future).
 
I don't care what shop owners say. I dive through my shop and that's it, though I have entered other shops. No one is gonna let me in on a little secret, open up the floodgates of knowledge, and make me realize I am diving with the wrong shop. If anyone in a shop turns out to be a tool, I just stop talking, stop answering questions, stop the chit chat, remain polite, do my business, and get the hell out out of there.

I think in general it is not wise to bad mouth other businesses, especially to strangers walking in off the street. Word gets around on the street and the internet and people will choose to avoid a poor attitude.
 
2 Bar:
I don't care what shop owners say. I dive through my shop and that's it, though I have entered other shops. No one is gonna let me in on a little secret, open up the floodgates of knowledge, and make me realize I am diving with the wrong shop. If anyone in a shop turns out to be a tool, I just stop talking, stop answering questions, stop the chit chat, remain polite, do my business, and get the hell out out of there.

I think in general it is not wise to bad mouth other businesses, especially to strangers walking in off the street. Word gets around on the street and the internet and people will choose to avoid a poor attitude.

Yes 2bar you said it right. I've left the names of the shops and peoples names out so as to not spread rumors but I had to get this out here for others to comment.
 
Rick Inman:
Fear.
Some LDS owners aren't afraid to dive to 300+ feet, but wake up at night with the terrors at going out of business due to competition (the internet, other LDS). Pity them.
BTW, are your 60+ parents divers, or do they usually go shopping for you, and do they need another son??? :eyebrow:


NO they float around the pool at home and ask why would I want to live underwater. As for another son, get in line my friends are all trying to get adopted.
 
macgyver2258:
I walk in to this shop which was impressive and I inform the owner I would like to purchase this product. (This is the closest place for this brand of suit). He asks me the usual questions and follows it up with; “What is your height and weight?” I respond, and his quote is “you can be on my dive team”. (He wasn’t making a pass at me) His ego was so big. He proceeded to tell me he is the greatest diver around and all that other hoopla. Then he asked questions about the LDS I normally dive with and he proceeded to talk them down. So at this point I was like measure me, let’s get this over with. Then he asks what kind of gear I dive. I answer, he then tells me I dive all the wrong gear for all the wrong reasons, shows me his rig and says, “this is what you need at 300+ feet in our area.” Let me clue you in, I just started diving last May and only have 70 dives to my credit and a basic nitrox cert. So my 300+ days are nowhere in sight. Everything was about his dive team and his way.

LOL Hey this shop would not be in my direction would it? Pm me if it was. Did he show you his gold diving watch? Did he tell you about some certain ship wrecks he found? LOL I am pretty sure i know who this is LOL you missed the other shop in this area. Like posted above go see Peggy K at Adventures in Diving.
 
macgyver2258:
As for another son, get in line my friends are all trying to get adopted.

How many people are ahead of me in the line? I want to take them all skydiving with me for a group picture.
 

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