Intermediate pressue gauge - Recognizing regulator problems

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some years ago I collected facts about different behavior of Intermediate pressue gauge (IPG) due to regulator tests. Here is original topic on Russian language.
Below I will put automated translation with small corrections. Can somebody (from moderators) make language correction for better understanding?


All written below is just my experience, and following then you make at your own risk!

FAULT DIAGNOSTICS OF 1st (regulator) AND 2nd (demand valve) STAGES
for a better understanding of the following article, it is recommended to familiarize yourself with what is generally a 1st and 2nd stages, and how it works, namely: Scuba Traveller How a Scuba Diving Regulator's First Stage Works Qdivers Doha | PADI scuba diving courses and more in Qatar

There are a number of simple procedures that can be used to check the correctness of 1st, 2nd and the pressure gauge, which can be carried out without any additional equipment.
All these procedures are detailed in many sources, and they are not discussed here. As part of this instruction, it is the option that is considered when you have a pressure gauge for checking the intermediate pressure, and if you have it, you do a full cycle of checking everything you can.

There are those that are screwed directly into the LP port (Low Pressure), there are those that are connected to the expansion hose of the compensator / BSD (usually under the INTL 8 mm nozzle), which are put in the hose break 2nd (before demand valve) and are often supplemented with adjustment for the adjustment of the 2nd seat .

we connect the pressure gauge (intermediate pressure)
at the same time if you know for sure that there is some problem, and there is time to do it - then it is better to leave connected to 1st (to the 1st stage) by minimizing the hoses, and as short as possible.
at the very minimum - it's only a hose to 2nd. If the manometer in the variant for connection to the hose connection of the BSD - then the BSD hose is still needed.
it is necessary that the pressure gauge (high pressure) should remain in place.
If you check the assembled state of the "spider" (1st with 2nd assembled), without removing the excess hoses, this basically does not change anything, but it will not make it easy to identify some of the problems.

we connect the regulator (1st + 2nd + hoses + pressure gauges) to the cylinder in which at least the pressure of 100 atm ...
(this is the case if the balanced diaphragm 1st is checked, but if it is piston, then it can and will work at 100bar, give 200 can make pssst, the cause is mainly o-ring piston-scraped, scratched. Therefore it is highly desirable to check full pressure)

1) open the cylinder. slow. till the end. the HP pressure gauge quickly showed the pressure in the tank, the IP manometer abruptly jumped by an amount of about 8.5-10.5 atm and froze, and does not move further on a half-bar. - already good.

2) pressed strongly for 1 second and sharply released the button 2nd. if the manometer IP jumped down no more than 1 atm, then returned exactly to the same value (8.5-10.5) and froze in place, and the manometer HP almost did not flinch (ie notice it didn't get a chance) - all is well - the regulator is OK (within the scope of the check). (some sets of 1st-2nd can show a greater fall, it is generally not very good, but it is probably a feature of the work of a particular model, so it can not be unequivocally said that this is a critical malfunction)

(* 1) to the set pressure. As standard, the factory settings of most gear units specify an installation pressure of 9.5-10 atm. Some scuba divers can change it for themselves, or when servicing it they can be rebuilt for colder water (6.5-8.5) or for easier breathing (10.5-11, but with reconfiguration and a 2nd). There are also non-standard 1sts (for example old Soviet ones from 5 to 6.5 atm or Divex, or some type of Poseidon - 11 atm), but still the overwhelming majority of the widely used 1stes operate in the range from 9 to 10.5 atm.

now what can be faulty and how it looks:
 
1)
1a - the HP pressure gauge slowly creeps up to the pressure in the tank.
- if at the same time when pressing the 2nd button for a few seconds, the arrow on the HP pressure gauge is in place - it's all right, just a small hole in the HP hose, and if it suddenly breaks under the water, then you will have a lot of time for what would quietly immediately begin to surface. even a safety stop can be defended.

1b - the arrow of the pressure gauge at the moment of pressing falls through more than 5-7 atmospheres, and if you hold the button for a long time (3-4 seconds), it almost falls to zero, while the pressure gauge also drops to zero - filter in the 1st is clogged - requires replacement, diving is dangerous.

1c - the arrow of the HP pressure gauge is in place (meaning the HP hose with a small hole.), The needle of the pressure gauge of the IP drops to zero.
Here are the options:
- Do not open until the end of the valve - check.
- the filter is clogged, but the hose with a small hole is checked by longer hold of the 2nd button. - If it fails over time - the filter is clogged.
- if the HP pressure gauge is in place, and when the valve is closed and pressing the 2nd quickly enough to zero - then the problem is inside 1st. the channels from the HP zone of 1st to the IP zone are clogged. A rare and rather strange case. uniquely in the service, carefully sort everything and wash
- if the HP pressure gauge falls with a long hold, the filter is exactly clogged.

2)
2a - the pressure gauge showed 9.5 (the correct pressure for most settings of 1sts (see (* 1)) and then slowly began to creep up (+0.5 atm) and stopped.
with repeated sharp pressure on the 2nd, everything happened again - this means that the valve is most likely broken, and very soon it will be subject to replacement. it is necessary to replace the valve of 1st in the near future.
* Exception: if the 1st has been recently serviced, then most likely the parts have not yet worn well, and after a while this can pass.
BUT! this can also be a sign of a scratch on the saddle. and then either polish the saddle, or change, if possible.

2b - the pressure gauge of the IP showed 9.5 (the correct pressure for most settings of 1sts - see (* 1)) and then slowly began to creep up and after a while the air hissed, at a pressure on the pressure gauge more than 11 - means that the valve is faulty (either the seat cushion is completely broken or the seal of the balancing chamber is damaged if it is available) and is subject to immediate replacement

2c - the IP manometer showed 6-7-8 atm, and then slowly drags and stiffens at 9-10 atm - a scratch of the saddle, or the valve will be subject to an early replacement. The most unpleasant situation, because requires additional diagnostics and work (replace the valve with a new one, if the same - polish the saddle). You can dive, but it’s very plain scary.

2d - the manometer showed sharply 8-9-10 and stopped. and then very, very slowly (for a few minutes) creeps up, to the hisss - this is with a high probability of scratches on the internal seals, or bad O-rings, or dirt and oxides inside 1st. It is possible that very small scratches on the saddle or the run out cushion of the valve (by analogy 2b, only in a very small degree). You can dive, nothing fatal, but is fraught with either an unexpected frellow, or bleeding gas on the left open scuba. It is treated with a long and thorough revision of all the details, washing, cleaning, replacing the o-rings, which work on the part of the HP.

2d - if the installation gauge is at 9.5 and the 2nd quietly hisses (gurgling in the water for example, in itself) - the problem with the adjustment of the 2nd or maybe it's from another 1st.
2d1 - If it has a manual adjustment (if any) at the minimum of the inspiratory effort (it is fully wrenched out) and when twisting by a third of the stroke - everything is normal and nothing hisses - everything is good, you can use it.
2d2 - If manual adjustment is tightened by half or more, or it is not there, and the 2nd is from the 1st set, and still hisses - the decrease of the setting pressure by 0.5 atm can help.
- and if it helped - everything is ok,
if it did not helps - the 2nd is subject to additional adjustment (either an adjusting screw that is opposite the saddle or a saddle position, but it's easier to contact the service)

2е - the manometer shows either below or above the range 8.5-10.5 - this is either you got a 1st Ukraine-2, AVM-5, or Poseidon Cyclone, or you do not have the correct setting pressure.
- if you have a diaphragm 1st - adjust the Intermediate pressure by adjusting keys to a value of 9.5. if you want to dive in winter - 7.5-8.5. if you have a counterflow 2nd - you can adjust even at 4-6 atm, only it will be easier to breathe.
- If you have a piston 1st, then everything is bad.
if the type of MK-25 - then adjust the movement of the piston saddle. if the type Calipso - then if less than 8 - you can put washers under the spring. if more than 10 - something is wrong, or it is not Calypso.

and most importantly -
Well, with the crooked hands of a diver, you can hose the blower not to BSD, but to the ass :lol:
- do not know how to handle iron, and there is no technically literate person next to you - do not take risks - after you've found everything that's described - drag it straight to the service, and do not try to repair it yourself if you're not sure you can do it or not know how, and do not want to know :)
The same, if you do not understand some terms, you are not interested in understanding how the equipment works on which you dive - definitely in service! :)
 
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