I guess I've got some explaining to do...

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Esteban

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I'm new here on the boards, but not new to diving....though by no means are my skills where they need to be IMO.

Five years ago, I got my C-card (PADI) and within two months completed AOW. My goal was that every vacation from then on was going to be a diving vacation! :bounce:

For the next three years, my spouse (at the time) and I took two or three diving vacations per year. We visited the BVI twice, Cozumel, Belize including the Blue Hole, Jamaica, Florida Keys and even Panama City. We took the good dives with the mediocre (finicky equipment, bad vis), learned a lot and enjoyed the experience. I was convinced (and still am) that scuba diving is a wonderful thing. In fact, I chose to pursue the watersport experience over obtaining a private pilots license because the sport of diving was spectacular!

Even another diver's death on our boat dive in the Keys did not derail our chosen sport, though we learned a great deal from the experience.

I've been single for about two years and am seeing someone special now. My *great* idea is to get her excited about the sport and her interest level has heightened. Mind you, I am not trying to force or coerce her into diving, but rather open some doors and invite her in. She is in the medical profession (nurse practitioner) and knows her stuff. We have already discussed some of the material she is likely to cover in an OW class. Several of her friends (married couples and singles) have expressed great excitement in everybody getting trained in scuba this year....5 or 6 newbies to the scuba community!

Fast forward to last evening....we get online and come to these boards and scubadiving.com to do a little surfing and to explore some ideas about a trip, LDS, equipment choices, and of course, other divers' experiences. It seemed that the boards were dominated by complaints against dive shops, fatalities, near drownings, legal issues and the like.....

She has 'cooled her jets' somewhat about the whole experience at this point. We still plan on doing a 'pool experience' and take it from there, but who knows.

As a non-diver, she was left with the impression that diving can't be safe :frown2: She's not an idiot. Obviously, all sports have risks. I, for one, always put safety first on every dive! However, *some* damage has already been done.

I've been warmly welcomed here and don't want to seem ungrateful. But, is there a forum (perhaps for registered members only) that discusses all of the above mentioned issues? After all, I want our sport to grow and thrive (with safety being FIRST), rather than turn people off before they even get going. I'm NOT suggesting important, even life threatening issues, be buried or taboo for discussion, just not the dominating theme it seems to be.

Any suggestions on what to discuss with my g/f about the "current state of diving"? It's been two years since I've been wet. Has the sport changed that much?
 
Any forum for any topic will have a large focus on the negative. It tends to be what people talk about. Sure, I can write a dive report about how wonderful a site was, and 2 or 3 people will say, "Cool". If I say something negative, or about an accident, this is something that will get alot of text in response.

However, a few things you & your GF should know...

1) Diving is by far the safest "risk" sport around. Accidents occur - usually through the fault of the diver - and are therefor discussed. Learn from them, but don't let them scare you.

2) If she is uncertain, go to a resort that will allow her to dive a shallow reef in a resort course or on Snuba. She won't be investing much in time or $$$. If, after this, she is, "So what", she probably would not like diving even after getting certified. (This is likely to generate its fair share of opinions :wink: )

3) As with most public anonymous forums, you will have your share of highly opinionated people that will go over the top in their arguements to prove a point. They can be spotted a mile away, and simply skip those posts that devolve into proving someone right or wrong.

Granted, many on this board dive 100+ times per year. You will see snide comments regarding "vacation" divers. Ignore them - nobody gets to say how often you have to do this sport to enjoy it. You seem to recognize that your skills may be rusty - good for you! Many divers feel that the C-Card promises skills for life.

Lastly, stay on this board and read lots of the posts - you will recognize the people who you would like to listen to and be able to discern the nuggets of info that will help you have fun with your diving.

Good luck - hope you stick around...
 
I guess Scubaboard is a lot like the other media out there; the spectacular gets the press coverage. One thing is for sure........this board is no place to learn how to dive. That's what Instructors are for.

I've noticed that almost anything one says on this board is likely to get challenged (I expect to get flamed on my response to your concerns). Unlike many of the others here, I have no issues with my LDS. I visit several of them, and although they're not without faults, I've never seen a business that was perfect.

Regarding your significant other, I would suggest that you let her try it through a referral that would allow her to do her open water dives in clear warm tropical water with all the associated colorful fish. Are there dangers involved in the sport? Of course there are. However, as has been stated in several places, including this board, it is more dangerous driving to the dive site than diving once you get there.

I sincerely hope things work out for you.

DSAO!
 
Hi Esteban:

Show her this one.

First off does she ride in or drive a car? Does she take a bus? does she fly?

Over the last 42 years I have been in a rescue/recovery unit all but 7 of those years. I have had over 200 body recoveries.
Over 150 have been from motor vehicles, around 30 from NON diving boating accidents. A half a dozen or so from plane crashes. But only about 10 divers.

We have had more than that as a team but I wasn't involved with them. The most dangerous part of a vacation is getting there.

I know more people that have had accidents of one type or another on their way to a dive site or vacation location than have ever been injured diving.

Diving IS a very safe activity when you stay within your limits. :bounce:

Driving WOULD be a safe activity if everyone stayed within their limits. :zap1:

Gary
 
Gary D.:
Driving WOULD be a safe activity if everyone stayed within their limits. :zap1:

Gary

For God's sake man, don't open up THAT can of worms! The driving test should be five times harder, and should include a crash test. Cell phones and televisions should be illegal, and if the cops can hear your stereo, the ticket should be 1000$. Second offense, you lose the car.

Not that I have any opinions on the subject!
 
Esteban:
It seemed that the boards were dominated by complaints against dive shops, fatalities, near drownings, legal issues and the like..... But, is there a forum (perhaps for registered members only) that discusses all of the above mentioned issues?
Saw many Octos and wolf eels at Day Island Wall yesterday. The day before, my buddy pointed out a Spiny Lump Sucker. We saw lots of pretty fishes.
Better?
 
Gary D.:
I have had over 200 body recoveries.
Over 150 have been from motor vehicles, around 30 from NON diving boating accidents. A half a dozen or so from plane crashes. But only about 10 divers.
Gary
Wow, Gary (Sunshine), I'm sure these stats will brighten up his day. I know it did mine. :54: :daisysmil
 
You can argue that there are many millions of divers and who make tens of millions of dives per year and only a fraction of a percentage of those result in accidents and many of those accidents are caused by diver error etc. If you become a DAN mamber you can get real statistics from their accident reports.

However I think you are jumping the gun a bit. The most important things are that she is comfortable in and under the water and that she likes it. So do the pool thing and if that goes well have her take an OW course. Going through a class and being briefly embedded in the dive world will help her put the risks in perspective (and you will also find that the word of an instructor carries a lot more weight in this matter than that of a mere boyfriend :biggrin:).

Then, if she still likes it, go on dive vacation.
 
PhotoTJ:
For God's sake man, don't open up THAT can of worms! The driving test should be five times harder, and should include a crash test. Cell phones and televisions should be illegal, and if the cops can hear your stereo, the ticket should be 1000$. Second offense, you lose the car.

Not that I have any opinions on the subject!

And if the cops hate the song you are playing, lets tack on another $500 to the fine...

And lets go get those jaywalkers also....

If you aren't within the lines when walking across the street, lets horsewhip you on first offense...After all, its better than getting in the way of those big cars with the nonsensical drivers, and getting killed!
 
Esteban:

I have been diving all my life. When my wife wanted to learn how to dive, I wanted it to be a great experience that showed her the positives.

So we went to Florida. Warm water, good vis, light weightbelts, diving from a boat...

Now she's hooked. A year later and 50+ dives for her, and she's willing to dive on the CA coast.

A bit of editorial control ain't bad.

All the best, James
 

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