How to read DOT tank codes?

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Drew Sailbum:
This is precisely the sort of minutae of detail that does not belong in an OW class.
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Because....people are too stupid? It's not important info? It's not in the PADI manual? You're too lazy to prepare a handout?

How do you know if your tank if full if you don't know where to find the working pressure in the markings? Or if you don't even know there IS a pressure marking.
You make me SOOO angry, Drew. :)

Neil
 
ChrisA:
The above refferences appear to cover only Aluminum tanks. What
about high pressure composite, and the varous steel tanks?
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OOps, you're right. I just did a quick search and grabbed the first couple I saw.
N
 
There is good reason NOT to teach everything. There is only so
much people can lean at a time so you have to select and edit.
They DO teach that the rated pressure is stamped on the tank
and some tanks can have a "+". but I don't think they teach
OW students how to tell a carbon steel tank from a chromolly
steel tank. And while they did teach that there are both DIN and
yoke valves they did not get into why some tanks have 7/16 or
3/4 inch threads

THey have the same problem in schools. What do you teach
a 3rd grader? Given that you only have one school year every
thing you do teach means time is taken away from some other
subject.


neil:
Because....people are too stupid? It's not important info? It's not in the PADI manual? You're too lazy to prepare a handout?

How do you know if your tank if full if you don't know where to find the working pressure in the markings? Or if you don't even know there IS a pressure marking.
You make me SOOO angry, Drew. :)

Neil
 
I learned about tank markings in DM class. PADI encourages continued education.

However, the OW course aims to teach to people completely inexperienced with any diving how to dive safely. It is more important to teach skills at the OW level, than the tank markings that shop owners should pay attention to. The PADI course does show a diagram of the tank, what the pressure levels and hydro test dates appear as. A diver could search for the rest or take another course if they wanted to become experienced with tank types. The tank types really is valuable for OW students to the extend of the pressure, hyrdo, VIS, and possibly steel or Aluminum, which is all taught in OW class. They may not remember all of this, as they are being taught many things. Learn a little very well, then learn more. Dive safely. These are their methods of teaching.

Knowing the rest about tanks comes with purchasing a tank, and a good shop owner will be experienced and explain the differences.

I really appreciate that list and find it very interesting. Thanks to the posters! The charts on tank types are huge, especially if you include sizes of tanks, pressures, capacities, etc.
 
I must admit I am dumbfounded. I'm sure you two are very nice intelligent people but I find your reasoning baffling. There is no such thing as too much knowledge. It takes less than ten minutes to explain and show tank markings. Five if I'm in a hurry. Thirty seconds to show and demo a DIN valve. Knowledge of your gear isn't important? Sheesh.
 
As I state, a "small handful" is all that is needed at the OW level.

I do not see how a OW course really should teach students:


  • Star ratings - don't apply to scuba service
  • 4 series cylinders - historically interesting, but not seen in modern high pressure systems
  • identifying cylinder manufacturer marks
  • hydro test pressure markings
  • exemptions versus special permits
  • markings denoting type of internal liner - again rarely seen in more modern cylinders
  • RIN numbers
  • required overstamps of certain special permits
  • how to distinguish "problematic" 6351 aluminum cylinders from 6061 alloy cylinders
I do teach about the required basic markings for cylinders in the home area of the diver such as:

  • DOT or TC regulatory authority - even though neither apply here in Cayman
  • working pressure, and how to tell if its metric or imperial
  • what a hydro stamp is and how to tell if it's in date
As you should be aware, cylinder markings do not necessarily have anything to do with the type of valve installed. The poster asked about deciphering cylinder markings - not about identifying valves.
 
Drew Sailbum:
I do teach about the required basic markings for cylinders in the home area of the diver such as:

  • DOT or TC regulatory authority - even though neither apply here in Cayman
  • working pressure, and how to tell if its metric or imperial
  • what a hydro stamp is and how to tell if it's in date

I feel better now. I'm not angry with Drew any more. :)
N
 
In a nutshell, that number is used to compute if the cylinder can receive a + rating on a hydro.

Roak
 
ChrisA:
they did not get into why some tanks have 7/16 or
3/4 inch threads
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Although this is a real old thread I found this which not everyone knows so I figured I'll share it.


Cylinder Neck Threads and SCUBA Valves
Valves attach to the neck of the SCUBA cylinder using one of two types of straight screw threads. Screw threads date back to the third century. For a few centuries everyone did their own thing regarding screw threads. As you might imagine, by the nineteenth century, interchangeability was non-existant. With the first World War, the American National thread form was established so that war materials could be more easily manufactured. With the second World War, the American National thread form had interchangeability problems with the Whitworth form of Great Britain. Thus the United States and Great Britain (and Canada) agreed upon a Unified thread form that would allow better interchangeability. The point of this history lesson is there are TWO different thread form standards.

Still, the most common thread form used with SCUBA cylinders and valves is the American National Standard Free-Fitting Straight Mechanical Pipe Thread also known as NPS. The specific thread form used with most SCUBA cylinders is named 0.750-14 NPS, often referred to as "3/4 NPS."

When Pressed Steel Tank Company began manufacturing the modern 3500 psi service pressure SCUBA cylinder; they elected to use a more modern thread form for the neck opening known as Unified National Standard Fine. The specific thread form used with the steel 3500 psi SCUBA cylinder is named 0.875-16 UNF, often referred to as "7/8 UNF."

It's very important to understand that the 3/4 and 7/8 slang descriptions do NOT indicate relative sizes of the physical dimensions of the opening! This is because the two thread forms are from two different standards. The 3/4 NPS opening is visibly larger than the 7/8 UNF opening.

Until recently, it worked as follows: "High-Pressure" steel SCUBA cylinders (i.e., 3500 psi) were manufactured with the smaller 7/8 UNF threaded openings, and all other steel and aluminum SCUBA Tanks were manufactured with larger 3/4 NPS threaded openings. Then in 2003, Pressed Steel Tank Company introduced their new high-pressure 3442 psi E-series cylinders, and they elected to revert to the 3/4 NPS threaded opening. So now there are two different high-pressure steel SCUBA Tanks in wide use, the older 3500 psi cylinders with 7/8 UNF threaded opening and the newer 3442 psi cylinders with 3/4 NPS threaded opening.

So how do you figure out what you have? Look at the SCUBA Tank neck for the DOT stamp. If it reads DOT-3AL it's an aluminum cylinder with 3/4 NPS threaded neck opening. If it reads DOT-3AA-XXXX where the XXXX is any number from 2400 up to and including 3442, it's a steel cylinder also with 3/4 NPS threaded opening. If the XXXX value is 3500, it's a steel cylinder with a 7/8 UNF threaded opening. Another test, if the valve is out of the cylinder, is that a U.S. quarter coin will fit through the 3/4 NPS cylinder neck opening but will not fit through the 7/8 UNF opening. By the way, if it's not a SCUBA Tank, all bets are off; it will have some other neck opening threading which is incompatible with 3/4 NPS and 7/8 UNF.

One important caution regarding thread compatibility. Outside the United States, particularly in Europe and Australia, a widely used SCUBA Tank neck thread form is known as M22. The NPS and M22 threads are very similar but not identical; it's possible to inadvertently mate cylinders and valves with these two different forms. However, when the cylinders are filled to working pressure, the different threads may not hold, causing the valve and cylinder to separate with dangerously explosive force. For this reason, it is unwise to transport NPS threaded valves outside of the U.S. or to bring international M22 threaded valves into the U.S.

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