How much weight? Trying to decide on backplate.

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CrazyMike

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Hello,

Based on some advice on this thread: http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=186801 I'm likely going to change my setup and go to a more rigid backplate setup than is offered by my Transpac. I'm a little torn between going Transplate or a straight up hog setup - there is lots of debate on that on SB so I don't need to bring that discussion into this thread.

My quandry here is choosing a proper backplate. Last year, I dove with my Transpac/Rec Wing setup and needed 12# when wearing my 2 3-mil wetsuites (Long sleeve shorty with farmer john) and diving in the gulf. That configuration was the most weight I ever needed. I dove AL80's last year.

Since then, I've purchased a set of steel HP119's. The empty boyancy difference between the aluminums and the steels is about 6.4#'s. I also bought an Oxycheq Mach V wing since a STA was required I also bought Oxycheq's lightweight STA which weighs about 1#. So before the backplate I'll still need about 5.5# weight. (I have a gut feeling that I'll need even less since I've lost a decent amount of body fat since last year.)

Obviously, If I dive only a 3-mil, skin, t-shirt, etc I'll require even less weight.

My question now is which backplate will work best for my situation? I am pretty well sold on the DSS backplates, but am not sure between the Kydex and the SS versions. I plan on mostly diving NW florida waters (including fresh springs) as well as locations such as the Keys.

Is it better to:

1: get the SS steel backplate?
- PRO: Very little or no weight needed when wearing both wetsuits
- CON: When diving with little/no thermal protection I'll be a bit overweighted (~4-6#) with no ditchable weight even when my tank is empty.
- CON: I'll be even further overweighted by ~9# considering the full weight of a HP119. That could be pretty tough to swim up in an emergency situation.
- A solution to these cons could be carrying a SMB, lift bag, etc - but again, I have to assume that I'll have an air supply if I get in that type of situation

OR

2: get the Kydex backplate and use my small Diverite weight pockets?
- PRO: Lighter setup to carry around/travel
- PRO: Will likely closer to neutrally boyant when diving with little/no thermal protection
- CON: Will have to carry weight in pockets (~6#) with thicker thermal protection
- I could alleviate the last con a bit by adding an Oxycheq weight sausage for ~$20 (cheaper than the SS plate option)

So yeah, the real big question here is: How heavy is too heavy to be diving without any ditchable weight?

After a bit more reading, I think option #2 is the better and safer option. If I start getting too much weight (>6#) in my pockets, I can put some in a weight sausage. Either way I won't really know until I try one out, but I want to try to make the better purchase the first time.

Am I missing anything here? Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks!

Mike
 
Buy the one that works now, and just steal yourself to the fact that you will have more than one plate. Buy the other at your leisure (Ebay?).
 
I think you answered your own question. You can always add weight, but being very negative in a wetsuit is not a good thing.
 
Well there is always this--ignore the double hose---the plate is from www.pacificcoastmarine.net and is called the Freedom Plate II and this one is on a Mach V.

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CrazyMike:
My quandry here is choosing a proper backplate. Last year, I dove with my Transpac/Rec Wing setup and needed 12# when wearing my 2 3-mil wetsuites (Long sleeve shorty with farmer john) and diving in the gulf. That configuration was the most weight I ever needed. I dove AL80's last year. Since then, I've purchased a set of steel HP119's. The empty boyancy difference between the aluminums and the steels is about 6.4#'s. ... I also bought Oxycheq's lightweight STA which weighs about 1#. So before the backplate I'll still need about 5.5# weight. (I have a gut feeling that I'll need even less since I've lost a decent amount of body fat since last year.)

Your comments and those of others, about the problems of diving wet, negative are quite appropriate. You seem to be making an assumption about what weight you will need, based both on tangible differences (tank and STA data) and intangibles (weight loss). Is it possible to borrow a SS BP from someone in your area and dive it before making a purchase, to see what weight you will really need? I suspect you might find a SS plate to work fine, but I also think it possible you may end up with two plates, as one post mentioned. Lots of people have an AL plate and a SS plate, so having a Kydex and a SS might not be unreasonable.
 
FWIW, I dive with a SS backplate, 3mm wetsuit, AL tanks sometimes when in the Caribbean. I need just 4lbs of lead. Could get by on 3 probably. So if you're diving steel tanks you will most likely NOT have any ditchable weight.
I've tried ABS back plate and didn't much care for it. Did get an Aluminum one, liked it better. Also cut a few "holes" in it to make it lighter, but not enough to effect the strength. Just what I did, YMMV
 
Cool. Thanks Nemrod, I looked on their website - guess I have to know exactly where the holes should be drilled? How much does it weigh? I'm guessing 2-4 lbs... The Freedom Plate II looks a bit like a similar Oxycheq design only theirs is aluminum and weighs 2.2#. Oxycheq Travel Backplate

Colliam7:
Is it possible to borrow a SS BP from someone in your area and dive it
Unfortunately, I'm the only one I know around here that has anything close to a BP/W.

DepthCharge:
I've tried ABS back plate and didn't much care for it.
I'm assuming this was not the DSS Kydex backplate (which isn't the same as ABS), correct? What didn't you like about it? I haven't read any real negative feedback about the DSS version...
 
I sometimes dive with little or no wetsuit and a single LP steel tank also. My advice is to definitely avoid the SS backplate. I am somewhat overweighted with zero lead and an aluminum plate and a big steel tank, however this is just barely managable for me. I had a complete BC failure on a solo dive and swimming up was more than enough exercise for me. I use just 6 or 8 lbs of lead with a full 5 mm wetsuit, hooded vest and a internal 3 mm vest. I have not been skinny for 35 years.
 

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