Anyone know the origin of the dive flag? Is it's desgin arbitrary or is it suppose to signify something? Quite frankly, I think its kind of ugly. Not trying to start a flame war (I know how some people feel about their flags), just stating my opinion. What do you think?
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Dive Flags
The story of the scuba diver down flag
New: Dive Flag Clip Art | Dive Flag Law
The now-familiar red-and-white dive flag was invented in the early 1950's by Denzel James "Doc" Dockery from Michigan.
Dockery was a tinker and entrepreneur. In 1953, he followed instructions published in Popular Science magazine for building his own scuba unit, and began experimenting with ways to make a living in the brand new sport.
In the course of his work, Dockery found that he needed a warning flag to keep boaters at a safe distance. Since Dockery had served in the U.S. Navy, he was familiar with the red signal flag that's commonly used to connote danger. The Navy's "bravo flag" is solid red. 1
In order to make his flag distinctive, Dockery decided to make a modification. He asked his wife Ruth to sew a white stripe across the middle of it. They put their stripe horizontal, right down the center from left to right.
Unfortunately, there was a problem with their design. It was the national flag of Austria. They needed something else. A vertical white stripe was out since that's the Navy's numerical number 7 signal flag.
After doing their homework, they decided to make the stripe diagonal. Ruth sewed it from the upper-left corner to the lower-right corner. The dive flag, as we now know it, was born.
Of course, inventing a flag is one thing. Getting it used and recognized is another.
Perhaps more important than his role in creating the dive flag was Dockery's evangelism for it. With the persistent tenacity of a good entrepreneur 2 Dockery began selling flags and promoting their use.
In 1956, Dockery's flag got a major boost. Ted Nixon from U.S. Divers started buying them from him and distributing them nationally. Nixon became so instrumental in the flag's widespread adoption that many people mistakenly credit Nixon with inventing the flag.
Another boost came from Skin Diver magazine. They mentioned Dockery's flag in a September 1957 editorial and asked their readers to send in their thoughts on the design. In February 1958, they declared the discussion closed, with the "Michigan Divers Flag" as the reader's choice. 3
In addition to promoting it among divers, Dockery worked to get the flag officially recognized in his home state of Michigan. He was successful, and Michigan became the first state in the union with a diver flag law. Now, thanks to what he started, the federal government and almost every U.S. state officially recognizes Dockery's flag as the official warning sign of a diver down.
Notes
What is today called the "bravo flag" Dockery would have called the "baker flag." It is simply the alphabetical signal flag for the letter "B." In 1956, the Navy adopted the international standards for the phonetic alphabet, and therefore started using "bravo" instead of "baker."
Although used as the letter B, the bravo flag is flown to tell other ships: "I am taking in, discharging, or carrying dangerous cargo." Here is more on the Navy's Phonetic Alphabet and Signal Flags. For more on Dockery, see "History of Our Dive Flag" by Fat Boy Scuba.
Dockery's business ultimately evolved into Vortex Innerspace Products, a very successful producer of aquarium filters. The company is now based in Florida and managed by Dockery's son Daryl.
See "1957 - Divers Down" in Skin Diver's Nuggets of Yesteryear by Tamara Collins.
Dive Flags
The story of the scuba diver down flag
New: Dive Flag Clip Art | Dive Flag Law
The now-familiar red-and-white dive flag was invented in the early 1950's by Denzel James "Doc" Dockery from Michigan.
Dockery was a tinker and entrepreneur. In 1953, he followed instructions published in Popular Science magazine for building his own scuba unit, and began experimenting with ways to make a living in the brand new sport.
In the course of his work, Dockery found that he needed a warning flag to keep boaters at a safe distance. Since Dockery had served in the U.S. Navy, he was familiar with the red signal flag that's commonly used to connote danger. The Navy's "bravo flag" is solid red. 1
In order to make his flag distinctive, Dockery decided to make a modification. He asked his wife Ruth to sew a white stripe across the middle of it. They put their stripe horizontal, right down the center from left to right.
Unfortunately, there was a problem with their design. It was the national flag of Austria. They needed something else. A vertical white stripe was out since that's the Navy's numerical number 7 signal flag.
After doing their homework, they decided to make the stripe diagonal. Ruth sewed it from the upper-left corner to the lower-right corner. The dive flag, as we now know it, was born.
Of course, inventing a flag is one thing. Getting it used and recognized is another.
Perhaps more important than his role in creating the dive flag was Dockery's evangelism for it. With the persistent tenacity of a good entrepreneur 2 Dockery began selling flags and promoting their use.
In 1956, Dockery's flag got a major boost. Ted Nixon from U.S. Divers started buying them from him and distributing them nationally. Nixon became so instrumental in the flag's widespread adoption that many people mistakenly credit Nixon with inventing the flag.
Another boost came from Skin Diver magazine. They mentioned Dockery's flag in a September 1957 editorial and asked their readers to send in their thoughts on the design. In February 1958, they declared the discussion closed, with the "Michigan Divers Flag" as the reader's choice. 3
In addition to promoting it among divers, Dockery worked to get the flag officially recognized in his home state of Michigan. He was successful, and Michigan became the first state in the union with a diver flag law. Now, thanks to what he started, the federal government and almost every U.S. state officially recognizes Dockery's flag as the official warning sign of a diver down.
Notes
What is today called the "bravo flag" Dockery would have called the "baker flag." It is simply the alphabetical signal flag for the letter "B." In 1956, the Navy adopted the international standards for the phonetic alphabet, and therefore started using "bravo" instead of "baker."
Although used as the letter B, the bravo flag is flown to tell other ships: "I am taking in, discharging, or carrying dangerous cargo." Here is more on the Navy's Phonetic Alphabet and Signal Flags. For more on Dockery, see "History of Our Dive Flag" by Fat Boy Scuba.
Dockery's business ultimately evolved into Vortex Innerspace Products, a very successful producer of aquarium filters. The company is now based in Florida and managed by Dockery's son Daryl.
See "1957 - Divers Down" in Skin Diver's Nuggets of Yesteryear by Tamara Collins.
I always thought it came from the Van Halen album cover. 
The Kraken
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If you're luck and sitting down at Vortex Springs in the evening, you may just get to share a beer with "Doc" and Miss Ruth.
Doc is a very intelligent man. I love to talk with him about the things with which he's been involved over the years.
You can see the intellect behind his penetrating eyes.
the K
Doc is a very intelligent man. I love to talk with him about the things with which he's been involved over the years.
You can see the intellect behind his penetrating eyes.
the K
diver_sam_851027
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I love the dive flag! I have a 5x7 one stuck on the front of my luggage box of my car and it looks HOT!!
H2Andy
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the straight dope, straight from the man:
http://www.mydivinglife.com/H2Andy/480/
accept no substitutes
http://www.mydivinglife.com/H2Andy/480/
accept no substitutes
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Guys, let's remember that the thread is about the origin of the "Diver Down" flag, not the legal requirements of flying a diver down flag in different areas of the world.
The Kraken
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H2Andy
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ok, fair enough, but the thread had evolved in that direction, and some of us
put quite some effort into it
could we at least have the deleted posts put into another thread that reflects
the direction the thread took?
put quite some effort into it
could we at least have the deleted posts put into another thread that reflects
the direction the thread took?
Agreed, I don't think any of the removed posts violated TOS.
The thread was actually rather interesting. It is handy for people all over the world to hear about foreign regulations etc. I agree with andy and walter and say bring it back, even if it is a seperate thread
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