from PADI to UTD?

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harry clarke

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I'm a PADI Open Water diver but a couple of weeks ago I did some diving at a UTD dive centre an instructor taught me DIR basics, since then I went to different dive centers for diving, one in Italy and one in Spain, they both said that it would be beneficial for me if I changed to UTD.

Would it be the right thing to do?
If I became an instructor would I be able to be UTD and PADI instructor?
What would the benefits be if I changed?

Thanks
 
Would it be the right thing to do?
If I became an instructor would I be able to be UTD and PADI instructor?
What would the benefits be if I changed?

Thanks
Yes.
Yes.
You probably wouldn't want to be a PADI instrutor.
 
You'll find that every 'brand' of dive training has some instructors who will preach their brand is best.

You may find the utd style of instructing a better fit for you personally or that you like the utd instructor better than your local padi instructors.

You can become an instructor for multiple training agencies if you like.

Enjoy the journey and gain experience diving.


Cameron
 
If you want to be a PADI instructor you have to take all their professional training, same with any other agency and you have to take both to be an instructor for both. Whether it one is more beneficial than another is your choice, they could only decide what is beneficial for them.

Which brings up a larger point, what is the rush to be an instructor. Go do some diving, take training from different instructors working for different agencies, and then make an informed decision on your own. I've seen a lot of new divers start off gung ho and drop out of diving later, find out if the desire lasts over some time. I love diving, have for over 50 years, and never found the need to be an instructor. I know myself enough to understand I would not like teaching, although I have been a passable mentor on occasion.

Lastly, the push to train everyone to be an instructor, IMHO, is based on cash flow and free labor for dive shops, rather than what is in the best interest of the student.


Bob
 
Thanks everyone for the quick replies. The instructor thing was just a thought I had. Thanks again

Harry
 
You can become an instructor for multiple training agencies if you like.

And you (the OP) can also take courses from both UTD and PADI. You used the word "change." You don't have to choose one agency for all your training. By all means take a UTD course. Then maybe take another PADI course. You are a long way from becoming an instructor, so you have a lot of time to make decisions about which agency or agencies you would like to become an instructor with.
 
Do you mean it's possible to have, say the first course, of two agencies at the same time?
 
Absolutely. All agencies will happily take your cash in exchange for training and with a quality instructor you can learn much from any course.

You can also 'crossover' between some agencies which recognize their standards are similar. Just be begin a course that’s equivalent to your next level of training.

All in all, dive when possible, train always, and take a course when needed.


Enjoy,
Cameron
 
Would it be the right thing to do?

That's entirely down to individual preference. If you enjoyed your experience with UTD training, then it makes sense to follow that path and see where it leads you.

PADI is very much mass-market diving - quick, cheap and convenient. "It's the way the world learns to dive". It demands relatively little commitment and investment. That suits the majority of recreational divers globally.

UTD is much more niche market; more intensive, more challenging and more focused on developing high-level skills over progressive stages of training. It also demands much more commitment in terms of money and time.

I've trained, and taught, for a bunch of agencies over the years. From a personal perspective, I don't see much difference really. As an instructor, I produce the high quality of divers that I want to produce. I don't find any agency prohibitive of giving excellent training.

Because PADI caters to consumer demand (quick, cheap, easy) it's courses are often taught to a minimum standard.... for minimum cost and duration. However, there are PADI instructors who set their own standards far higher than the minimum.

In contrast, UTD and other niche/specialist/tech-orientated agencies are providing training with the ultimate goal of creating cohesive team-based divers capable of advanced level diving. Their goals dictate a higher baseline... more comprehensive training.... a higher 'bar' in respect to the minimum standards.

Whichever you choose, don't get hung up on agency acronyms, dogmatic philosophies.... and don't let cards and courses go to your head. Niche agencies have a tendency to appeal to the ego... elitism.... especially amongst the novices. Don't fall into that trap.

Worth a read (even if it's pitched well above your current level): The Biggest Risk in Technical Diving (and how to avoid it)

If I became an instructor would I be able to be UTD and PADI instructor?

There's no prohibition on becoming an instructor in multiple agencies. In some instances, there are prohibitions at Instructor-Trainer levels.... but that's a LONG way in the future.

What would the benefits be if I changed?

UTD demand a good standard of fundamental skill development. Core skills like buoyancy, trim, propulsion, situational awareness, team diving, gas management, stringent protocols and equipment standardization. Each course/level undertaken will actually demand an improvement in diving skill and competency.

As a diver and/or instructor, an agency like UTD will hold you to a higher minimum standard. That's good if you don't have the motivation to set high standards for yourself. In contrast, mass-market agencies won't hold you to those stringent standards. If you aren't motivated or seeking perfection, you can happily opt for mediocrity and low standards.

Some people need external motivation and standards, others have strong internal motivation and gravitate to high standards of their own volition. There's no shame in either... just pick which best suits your psychology.

The drawbacks to an agency like UTD are that you will be limited to their concepts of equipment configuration, more rigid philosophies/approaches, more expensive training... and you will have to devote more of your free time to skills and drills practice before, during and after training. Courses and required equipment tend to be more expensive (but you tend to get more out of the courses). As you gain more experiences, you might find that the approach can be a little dogmatic. There's a problem with that if you aren't naturally a free-thinker.

Top Tip: If you want to be a decent instructor, become a great diver first.

The world is saturated (pun intended) with mediocre instructors who bought into the agency 'pro' marketing junk and rushed to run before they could walk. They aren't great divers, so they don't get much out of it... running around looking for any work they can get, willing to work for peanuts and turning a blind eye to dross courses they are forced to run.
 
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