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I just upgraded from a Reefmaster film camera to the C8080 ( whoa, what are all these buttons for ) Ikelite housing and DS-50 strobe and would like to know if anyone uses the flash diffuser that came with the Ikelite strobe. Any benefits to diffusing or should I just use a naked flash? Don't plan on shooting macro or anything complicated. I haven't put this rig in the water yet ( next week in NC ) and I have been following all threads regarding settings which have been very helpful so I can't wait to start shooting UW.
Thanks for all replies, Jim
 
What does a diffuser do? I understand what diffuse means, but I suppose what I'm getting at is...what benefit does that have in u/w photography?
 
Evens out the light - in a nutshell...
If you are getting really close to things a diffuser can help not blow out highlights while giving you more choices in settings (assuming your strobe and camera have the capabilities). The other day I was shooting white shrimp on a white anemone in white sand on a bright day...was a total nightmare & couldn't figure out why. I'd left my diffuser at home - doh!

Also helpful on bright silver fish etc...
 
Everything Alcina said and also......

The diffuser will also spread the light over a larger area. In the case of a DS 50, from around a 70* degree beam angle to about 90 degrees. The diffuser will also lower the temperature of the light, making it appear warmer.

And the diffuser will lower the effective output of the strobe by about one stop of light in the case of a DS 50. Other strobes have diffusers that will lower the light between .5 and 3 full stops of light.

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scubaaaronh:
Everything above and it will help cut backscatter out of your pics

Huh! I don't think backscatter really has anything to do with diffuser. If you have backscatter without a diffuser, you will have it with a diffuser on the same shot as well. If the rest of the camera setting is the same, backscatter may appear a bit less pronounce because your strobe power is cut by one stop. If you don't use a diffuser and cut down your strobe power by one stop, you should be able to get the same effect.

Like what other people said, diffuser will increase the degree of coverage. Make the picture a bit warmer (not a big deal since you can deal with that later in photoshop or raw converter if you shoot raw). The shadow may appear a bit less harsh.
Depending on the shots,since DS50 is a bit underpower, diffuser will cut the light output even more but its degree of coverage is not that great without a diffuser so I would definitely tie a diffuser to a rubberband so you can take it off or put it on underwater depending on the type of shots you are doing.
With DS-125, I pretty much leave it on all the time, except for night dive when I use the modeling light as my light source.
 
mnfsh:
I just upgraded from a Reefmaster film camera to the C8080 ( whoa, what are all these buttons for ) Ikelite housing and DS-50 strobe and would like to know if anyone uses the flash diffuser that came with the Ikelite strobe. Any benefits to diffusing or should I just use a naked flash? Don't plan on shooting macro or anything complicated. I haven't put this rig in the water yet ( next week in NC ) and I have been following all threads regarding settings which have been very helpful so I can't wait to start shooting UW.
Thanks for all replies, Jim

These are not the DS-50s but the MS-50 type slave strobes ($25ea @eBay) same type of housing, flash angle and power as the DS-50s.

Notice the coverage of the light on the strobes. The strobe on the left has a diffuser, note that the light is much wider and even in coverage than the bare strobe the right.

The hotspot on the bare strobe is what really blows up that out of focus backscatter, the reason why the bare strobe has to be at a greater distance from the camera lens to avoid the backscatter but with that distance the light will be coming in at a very radical angle, perfect for producing harsh shadows. With the diffuser the hot spot is some what even out and can be closer the lens for better shadow control.

This works well with the PT-23/8080, 3 strobe setup that I am working on (did not install the diffusers yet). The two slave strobes act as a fill or wrap around light for the top strobe (MS-50). The slaves are there to soften the harsh shadows. The top strobe can also be replaced by an Ikelite Ai 100 strobe for more power at wider angles.

You should be experimenting on this yourself by take some pictures with and without a diffuser on land shots. Remember to bracket your exposures.

Dive Safe
 
couple of points....

As ssra30 stated, backscatter is created by capturing out of focus suspended particles in the water column between the lens and target. These particles are illuminated undesirably by the underwater strobe. The light emanating from the strobe is at such an angle that the reflection of light that bounces off the particles head directly into the camera lens. Objects that are captured out of focus are recorded larger than actual size.

Generally speaking, light travels in a straight line. Moving a strobe closer or further away, with or without a diffuser, and without changing it's angle with relation to the lens, will have no major effect on the ability to reduce backscatter. Placing a strobe a different angle from the composition will. This is why you will often hear people discussing the technique of "painting with the edges of light" emanating from your strobes.

You will see many underwater rigs, especially those set up for wide angle compositions, with relatively long strobe arms. Their goal is not to illuminate the water between the lens and the target. The strobes are aimed straight ahead, so that only the edge of their beam comes in contact with the target.

Very close macro distances naturally reduce the potential for the capturing of backscatter.

With regard to strobe power, the DS 50 has an underwater guide rating number of 28, ISO 100, measured in feet (9, iso 100, meters). With the supplied diffuser the intensity is cut by one stop of light, which brings the gn down to 20 (ft) or 6.5 (m). At full intensity, the DS 50 is capable of illuminating a subject 4 feet away from the strobe head when the aperture is set to f/5, sensitivity set to ISO 100.
 
bobf:
couple of points....

As ssra30 stated, backscatter is created by capturing out of focus suspended particles in the water column between the lens and target. These particles are illuminated undesirably by the underwater strobe. The light emanating from the strobe is at such an angle that the reflection of light that bounces off the particles head directly into the camera lens. Objects that are captured out of focus are recorded larger than actual size.

Generally speaking, light travels in a straight line. Moving a strobe closer or further away, with or without a diffuser, and without changing it's angle with relation to the lens, will have no major effect on the ability to reduce backscatter. Placing a strobe a different angle from the composition will. This is why you will often hear people discussing the technique of "painting with the edges of light" emanating from your strobes.

You will see many underwater rigs, especially those set up for wide angle compositions, with relatively long strobe arms. Their goal is not to illuminate the water between the lens and the target. The strobes are aimed straight ahead, so that only the edge of their beam comes in contact with the target.

Very close macro distances naturally reduce the potential for the capturing of backscatter.

With regard to strobe power, the DS 50 has an underwater guide rating number of 28, ISO 100, measured in feet (9, iso 100, meters). With the supplied diffuser the intensity is cut by one stop of light, which brings the gn down to 20 (ft) or 6.5 (m). At full intensity, the DS 50 is capable of illuminating a subject 4 feet away from the strobe head when the aperture is set to f/5, sensitivity set to ISO 100.

Indeed Bob, ssara30 and yourself have some very good points. Unfortunately I have seen too many wide-angle shots with under exposed centers and over exposed outer edges. I have to some how “sneak” in some light from the strobe to get the correct exposure.

The long arms on the wide-angle setups made it possible to place the strobe’s “hotspot” far enough away, out of the frames wide-angle reach (SLR 14mm fisheye lens etc.) to cut down on backscatter.

This is really the reason I use a diffuser on my strobes, to cut down on the hotspot but still keep the strobe as close to the lens as possible. When I say close to the lens I mean about 9 inches or so not right on top of the lens port, except when I shoot in macro, which then the strobe is right above the lens port.

Which brings up your other good point:

“Very close macro distances naturally reduce the potential for the capturing of backscatter.”

This point is my first line of defense against backscatter; getting the camera’s lens as close as possible to the subject. In clear waters I try to limit the subject to camera distances to less than a foot, even if I cannot include the entire subject (wide angle shots) in the frame. I try to keep the strobe at the same plane as the camera’s lens, to reduce the shadows.

So, I can only get the top/middle part of a bright red soft coral and part of the cobalt blue water in the background (due to a 28mm lens in flat port)... As long as I get the razor sharp focusing (at less than 1 foot, a very good chance) and evenly lit soft lighting (diffused) with minimum amount of shadows. The bottom half of the coral attached to the reef gets very cluttered anyway.

Shadows of absolute black nothings are my main concern. Shadows that are a 1/3 stop darker I do not have a problem with.

The other reason for reducing the dark shadows, is that the dark black shadows makes a great color contrast for light objects therefore a great black background to highlight the out of focus white Backscatter!

Thanks for the guide number info.

Dive Safe
 

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