First experience with BP/W

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BarryNL

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I decided I'd reached the limitations of my first BCD - a trusty Scubapro Glide 500, mainly due to the lack of D-rings which means there's nowhere to put the reels, backup lamps and stuff that I'm now starting to need. In looking for a replacement I thought I'd see whether a backplate+wing might be the way to go so managed to borrow one (a Halcyon Eclipse) from a shop for a couple of dives to see. These are my impressions:

On land, walking to and from the water it's a definite improvement. The backplate feels much more like wearing a well fitting backpack than a ridiculously heavy loose jacket. I certainly feel less unbalanced and can walk more comfortably with the backplate system.

On the surface I can certainly understand what some people have said about the feeling that they try and float you face-down. Compared to a BCD there is a definite feeling that the thing is trying to tip you forwards. It takes a conscious effort to lean backwards in order to float comfortably. Of course, this could simply be a matter of what I'm used to - more experience with the wing and it may well feel as natural on the surface as the BCD does now. I did notice that it seems to take less effort to swim on the surface with the wing though.

Underwater, where it really counts, I love the wing already. You seem to naturally float in a horizontal position compared to the head up/feet down position which a BCD seems to encourage. For the first time I actually felt like the frogkick made sense, although my technique still needs a lot of work. As on the surface, it seems to need less effort to swim through the water.

Other points: The lack of pockets on the wing could be a problem, although the BCD pockets were never easy to reach and, especially with air in the vest, impossible to get anything into or out of. Still, the full MC system comes with a storage pack - that and a bigger drysuit pocket should solve that problem.

All in all, I think my upgrade is going to be to a backplate/wing system rather than to a higher end BCD.
 
to STA or not to STA
ABC or belt
FredT AL or steel
DIR or Hog

and so it begins...
 
Captain CaveMan:
Hopefully not DIR. Nothing wrong with a Hog setup.- Thats what I'm running
What's the difference between a DIR rig and a Hog rig?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
BarryNL:
On the surface I can certainly understand what some people have said about the feeling that they try and float you face-down. Compared to a BCD there is a definite feeling that the thing is trying to tip you forwards. It takes a conscious effort to lean backwards in order to float comfortably. Of course, this could simply be a matter of what I'm used to - more experience with the wing and it may well feel as natural on the surface as the BCD does now. I did notice that it seems to take less effort to swim on the surface with the wing though.

Barry,

Glad to hear you enjoyed the BP&W. There's a good chance you were overweighted. Most jacket BC's are inhereently positive by 3-5 lbs. If you only removed 5-6 lbs from your weight belt you could still have been 4-6 lbs overweighted. Being properly weighted is key to being comfortable at the surface in a BP&W. I recognize that getting your weight dialed in could be hard in a borrowed rig, but it's worth the effort.


Tobin
 
Barry
Interesting to hear how you are getting on. I am at a simillar point to you. My BC is 10+ years old, thinking nitorx so new dive computer, etc.
Please update the thread with your progress.
Thanks
 
well A dir rig is basicly the same a the Hog set up but DIR made there changes to it. . The HOG set up is one pice harness and and a 7ft long hose.
DIR makes you have the same gear as the next diver and if you dont YOU FAIL.
the only thing a DIR has is the BIG SHOWOFF \H/
 
cool_hardware52:
...Being properly weighted is key to being comfortable at the surface in a BP&W. I recognize that getting your weight dialed in could be hard in a borrowed rig, but it's worth the effort.
Barry, I concur with what Tobin said. Another possibility is that you were using a wing with a large capacity and over-inflating it, so you were kind of hanging from a big bubble.

My wing setup floats me vertical in the water in my single tank rig. If I want to lean face downward, no problem doing that then returning vertical. Ditto sitting back and relaxing. That's been the case since day one.

My weight is pretty well dialed in, and the wing has 30# of lift. That's plenty, but it looks small beside the big wings doubles divers use. Maybe you had a doubles wing on a single tank?

The bp/wing system is so much better, in so many ways, most importantly under water, like you experienced. I'm continually puzzled about why it wasn't used for my OW training, or at least mentioned as a possibility.
 
BarryNL:
I decided I'd reached the limitations of my first BCD - a trusty Scubapro Glide 500, mainly due to the lack of D-rings which means there's nowhere to put the reels, backup lamps and stuff that I'm now starting to need. In looking for a replacement I thought I'd see whether a backplate+wing might be the way to go so managed to borrow one (a Halcyon Eclipse) from a shop for a couple of dives to see. These are my impressions:

On land, walking to and from the water it's a definite improvement. The backplate feels much more like wearing a well fitting backpack than a ridiculously heavy loose jacket. I certainly feel less unbalanced and can walk more comfortably with the backplate system.

On the surface I can certainly understand what some people have said about the feeling that they try and float you face-down. Compared to a BCD there is a definite feeling that the thing is trying to tip you forwards. It takes a conscious effort to lean backwards in order to float comfortably. Of course, this could simply be a matter of what I'm used to - more experience with the wing and it may well feel as natural on the surface as the BCD does now. I did notice that it seems to take less effort to swim on the surface with the wing though.

Underwater, where it really counts, I love the wing already. You seem to naturally float in a horizontal position compared to the head up/feet down position which a BCD seems to encourage. For the first time I actually felt like the frogkick made sense, although my technique still needs a lot of work. As on the surface, it seems to need less effort to swim through the water.

Other points: The lack of pockets on the wing could be a problem, although the BCD pockets were never easy to reach and, especially with air in the vest, impossible to get anything into or out of. Still, the full MC system comes with a storage pack - that and a bigger drysuit pocket should solve that problem.

All in all, I think my upgrade is going to be to a backplate/wing system rather than to a higher end BCD.
Its good to hear that. im going out this weekend in my new eclipse for the first time. can't wait to try it. thanks for some motivation.
 

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