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drysuit undergarments - which one

Discussion in 'General Scuba Equipment Discussions' started by rock92, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. a878bob

    a878bob Barracuda

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    I have dove artic, artic expedition, and whites fusion.

    My favorite is the whites fusion one piece, it has the best mobility, is as warm as the FE. But it is harder to get on. The artic expedition was just as warm but too bulky for me. The Arctic’s are almost as warm, a lot easier to put on, and my go to in a little warmer water.
     
  2. scubadiver888

    scubadiver888 Divemaster

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    I have a trilam suit and dive 40-50F for around 30 to 60 minutes (multiple times a day for multiple days) and I found the 4th element arctic to do great. I currently have a leak in my right leg right now. I can feel the cold when the water gets down around 40F but it is still comfortable enough to dive.
     
  3. Superlyte27

    Superlyte27 Cave Instructor

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    For that temperature, I’d do the Halo instead of the Arctic.
    For comparison, I’m using an Arctic for 1-2 hour dives in 70 degree water with a rebreather.

    I don’t think it’ll be warm enough for 1 hour dives in 40-50 degree water. Arctic is kinda an entry level suit in terms of warmth.
     
  4. rock92

    rock92 Garibaldi

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Greensboro, NC
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    what about the white's fusion versus the halo? the $200 price difference is meaningful
     
  5. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

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    Location: Seattle
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    I have the Fourth Element Halo 3D and the Santi BZ400. In terms of bulk, the Santi makes harder to put on my dry suit. In terms of warmth when dry, they are about the same.

    The real difference is when you have a leak. I froze with a minor leak in my chest with the Santi. With my 3D, it insulates much better when wet. I experienced leaks with the same tri lam dry suit

    Once I had a full flood in a crushed neoprene dry suit. I knew something wasn’t right, but I was perfectly warm still. I was pouring water out of my dry suit while I was still in it by being in a push up position with my feet elevated.

    I don’t dive my crushed neoprene dry suit that I’ll sell after an ice diving class
     
  6. Diesel_Diver

    Diesel_Diver Nassau Grouper

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: Bay of Fundy region
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    I dive the Artic Expedition ones, I have been comfortable down to the mid 30’s that being said, it depends on your suit material as well. A trilam would be colder than my 4mm neoprene. But if you want warm, check out weezle dive wear from the UK a lot of our local commercial guys use them here.
     
  7. taimen

    taimen Barracuda

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    That is already cold, and your dives most probably will get longer. I you can don your equipment without sweating too much, most good medium weight undergarments will be fine. For one dive. But if you plan doing several dives per day and don't have a nice cold climate and shadow on surface, you will eventually be diving with damp undergarments with significantly reduced efficiency.
    I think Santi BZ400X or Weezle Extreme+ won't be overkill for you. Thinner undergarment and electric heating is one option, especially if you don't do deco. For deco you must wear enough garment to prevent hypothermia in the case your electric heating fails.
     
  8. taimen

    taimen Barracuda

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    Which one requires more weight?
     
  9. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

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    I think they are fairly equal, as the BZ compresses far more than the 3D. So it starts bulkier above the surface, but it doesn't appear to remain that way under pressure.

    Now maybe I'm pulling that out of a dark place, as I haven't tried to do precise weight determination with the BZ. I haven't noticed any difference/issues when switching.
     

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