Diving the Springs: Good, Bad.. And the Ugly!

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Caveeagle

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Dove three of the NFL springs over the last couple weeks. I've had a couple friends and my kid in town who are all OW divers. So we were in OW friendly spots. Troy, Paradise and Ginnie. Overall we had a good time, but was just a bit vexed by a couple sightings. I certainly don't consider myself to be one of the "SCUBA Nazis", but I do try to keep my crap together and always do a gear check with folks diving with me.

I am honestly surprised we do not see more fatalities around here. :( ...So, maybe this is just to vent, but here's a short list of what I saw.

Troy is a state park, open water dive, that has a definite cavern (overhead) zone and depths approaching 60'. Just a relaxing dive there with my 'buddy', mostly to let him get some time underwater and gain comfort with gear. At around 45' we see a younger diver, alone kicking past us with full on scissor kicks heading straight for the cavern/overhead zone. Back-up 2nd and gauge console hanging straight down. I could not imagine a more perfect picture of the 1st stages of another fatality. We went in a little closer to the cavern just to keep an eye out. I was still hoping I would see HIS buddy show up. At one point, he was kneeling down in the silt right near the darkest corner of the cavern. We hovered nearby until he eventually swam out. A little later as we were exiting, we saw (we think) the same kid with another teenager on the stairs. Other kid had BC and Tank and no reg. Seemed like he was waiting on the stairs for the his turn with the reg. I feel a little bad that I did not insert myself and object, but it looked like a pretty hardcore family of "country folk" and I was just not in the mood for a fight. I decided to look around for a ranger, which I never found. ....Fortunately everybody survived.

Paradise is a privately owned Cavern. We saw divers in the cavern that seemed to have NO cavern training. No reels, no backup lights, and lots of danglers. We also saw a couple divers that looked to be much more experienced, who were down in the Cave (140') section. They seemed to pretty much know what they were doing, but had only cavern gear. ie: only single 1st stage regs. ...Fortunately everybody survived.

Lastly, we were at the Ginnie Springs cavern (Ballroom). I know, I know.. Its July 4th weekend and most sensible divers avoid the 'Zoo'. I figured we could sneak in early and get out before the crowds showed up. That mostly worked out, but it got kind of bad during our second dive. We saw OW divers that appeared to be very rusty. Tanks on backwards with the 1st stage on the back. Heading straight into the cavern sort of bouncing between the floor and the ceiling. Overall, the worst thing was at around 35', well inside the cavern, we saw an exiting diver. He had a 'buddy' close by. Unfortunately, the 'buddy' appeared to be a snorkeler attached to his safe 2nd. They were on the way out/up, so I am pretty sure they were all the way down near the grate @ ~50' at some point. They were practically in my face, so I did my best "sign language" to let the diver know that this was wrong and pointed to the exit. I kept my eye on them, and just before the exit 'hole' the snorkeler ditched the reg and swam out. I think I saw him blowing bubbles on the way out, but I was not in a great position to tell. I made a mental note of the divers appearance, but could not pick him out from the crown after our dive. I also did not see any Ginnie staff around to report it too.

...I did not see any ambulances as we were packing up, so I assume everyone survived this one too.

As I was working my way up the steps, there was a semi-drunk yokel trying to chat me up about the 'cave'. Even was bold enough to ask me if I would take him inside.

Holy cr@p! ...Is this becoming common? I have still not heard details about the free-diver fatality there a few weeks ago, so I have no idea if buddy-breathing free-loader-divers is becoming a thing.

BTW: I am typically never afraid to speak up re safety issues. In these cases, I just don't see how I could have done anything other than maybe start a scene and get told to F**-Off.
 
Welcome to North FL.
Wait! That's where you are from!
Hmmm.
 
Welcome to North FL.
Wait! That's where you are from!
Hmmm.

Haha... I do now live in NFL, and consider it my home. But my wife and I are military brats and have lived all over the world. I am not a stranger to some of the regional 'culture'. But it does still make me just shake my head.
 
That's the thing, I doubt anyone thinks they are "that guy" :wink: , whether scuba nazi or unsafe scuba diver.

Other than a quick/friendly non-authoritative "hey, that might be dangerous" conversation there basically isn't anything you can do to make people behave how you think they should. And if they immediately are defensive/aggressive there isn't any point in pushing it, nothing positive will come of it and it isn't your place. If someone is breaking rules of the park/spring that could endanger you, I guess you could point that out to an official. Some people will find ways to kill/harm/endanger themselves unnecessarily whether it's while diving, driving, shooting fireworks, or sitting on their couch.
 
I remember teaching a class at Alexander Springs when a snorkeler grabbed my reg from my mouth. I quickly snatched it back and the guy gave me the finger. He approached me with a Park Ranger as I exited and demanded that the Park Ranger cite me for endangering his life by not giving him the air he needed. When it was pointed out that he snagged my reg from my mouth, with six witnesses, the Park Ranger handcuffed him and escorted him from the area. I never heard anything after that, but felt pretty good that he was detained at least for a bit.
 
I remember teaching a class at Alexander Springs when a snorkeler grabbed my reg from my mouth. I quickly snatched it back and the guy gave me the finger. He approached me with a Park Ranger as I exited and demanded that the Park Ranger cite me for endangering his life by not giving him the air he needed. When it was pointed out that he snagged my reg from my mouth, with six witnesses, the Park Ranger handcuffed him and escorted him from the area. I never heard anything after that, but felt pretty good that he was detained at least for a bit.

Whether he took the reg from your mouth, or not, I don't see how anyone could hold you at fault for pushing you away. Its been a while since I was at Alexander, but I don't remember it being deeper than 20'. Shoot, If you had let him take a breath or two, and he embolized darting to the surface, I can imagine the family getting lawyered up and coming after you.
 
Shoot, If you had let him take a breath or two, and he embolized darting to the surface, I can imagine the family getting lawyered up and coming after you.
I was only worried about the diver hurting himself. Boyles really stands for
Breathe
Or
Your
Lungs
Explode,
Stupid!

People are often fascinated by Scuba and Scuba divers. Most are completely ignorant of our rules as well as those compelled upon us by physics. It's important for us as divers to teach as many about the dangers as well as the wonders of Scuba.
 
I'm sorry to say, but these stories are really scaring me away from going to these places. North Florida springs have always been on my bucket list, but now, I'm not so sure... :shakehead:
 
It has been a LONG time since I posted. Read quite a bit but have not dove for a while so I didn't feel any input needed.

Anyway this one interesting. Some years ago I came down and buddied up with a local Jacksonville friend who had done these locations before and we hit Ginnie, Manatee Springs and a few others and I saw some of the same things then. I guess what most surprises me is not the "ones" at the State Parks where you are pretty much on your own in every shape and fashion and to me are more likely to see the .... how can I say..more liberal divers, but I would really thought that the privately owned locations would do a better job of policing the divers to stop such unsafe practices or lack of practice that is!

Ya'll have a great day!

Jeff
 
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