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BradJ

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From reading the DIR-F manual and the GUE class requirements, it seems that the typical nitrox markings I was taught to obey for nitrox cylinders (big green band, so many inches wide) is not DIR.
Should my standard workhorse nitrox cylinder only have a MOD label and if so will my LDS fill it with enriched air?
 
Depends on the shop.

Some will, some won't. Some will point to BS "rules" in an attempt to sell you a cylinder band for $10 (hoist that Jolly Roger!) and others will just gas 'ya up.

Go talk to 'em.

I have no Nitrox bands on my primary cylinders. They have a current O2-clean VIS sticker on them, and if full, a contents tag. Deco cylinders have the MOD of the mix on them, a contents tag on the shoulder, and nothing else (VIS sticker on those is usually under the "handle" of the rigging rope.) But I fill my own.
 
BradJ:
From reading the DIR-F manual and the GUE class requirements, it seems that the typical nitrox markings I was taught to obey for nitrox cylinders (big green band, so many inches wide) is not DIR.
Should my standard workhorse nitrox cylinder only have a MOD label and if so will my LDS fill it with enriched air?

Current fashion, as dictated by the schismatic Hogarthians based in Florida's karst country, says that back gas should be labeled with fill information, owner name and VIP/O2 prep stickers and that stage/deco bottles should also be MOD marked. EAN bumper stickers are no longer considered to be cool and will actually interfere with the MOD label on a stage/deco bottle.

If you need the EAN wrap to get fills, well, you gotta do what you gotta do. I'd "discuss" this with the shop before giving in, but I carry a few with me whenever I travel so that I can slap them on the tank (in front of the DSM) should the need arise.

As far as backgas goes, I don't think that anyone whose thought the process out cares much, one way or the other. To me they seem silly and a waste of a few dollars, but some folks still think they're really groovy.

Steven
 
I like my simple "GEEZER GAS" 3" x 6" green and yellow stickers if the O2 clean sticker isn't enough. This creates enough confusion factor that so that even clueless others keep their mits off my tanks on cattle boats.

BTW I keep one of those on my briefcase to allow for a visual follower and marker as it goes through the fondle lines at the airport.
 
I have worked in the past for an LDS and I can tell you that we get in all kinds of tanks in all kinds of conditions. All I would check for is the VIP sticker. If it was an O2 sticker and they had the correct type o-ring, then I would do a Nitrox fill. It did not have to have any other kind of markings on it.

We did partial fills for Nitrox so it was very important that the tank AND valve be O2 clean. Our procedure was to fill a tank, that I had previously emptied, with 100% medical grade O2 to a designated pressure (this would depend on cylinder size, the ending pressure and the desired percentage of customer). Once that pressure was achived, I would let the tank cool off and then top it off back to the desired pressure. I would then fill the tank on the regular system up to the working pressure. I would then let the tank cool off again (which always dropped the pressure back a couple of hundred PSI) and top off again. I would then come back after a couple of hours and test the mix. I would consistantly get within a couple of 10ths of a percent of the required percentage. Say the customer wanted 36%, my final readings would not be off by more than half a percent and most times was right on the money. That is why we charged more for Nitrox fills, becuase of the hassle of filling them up. Now if the shop owner would fork over the money to have a pre-mixed station, that would be a different matter. However, most of the divers that came into our shop were also diving other mixes besides 32 and 36 (Can we say stage bottles). If I saw a stage bottle with MOD markings on it I didn't check for anything else except for the hydro stamp. As long as it was not out by more than a year, I filled the tank with the condition that the next time the customer came in with that tank, it would have to be hydro'd before I would fill it.

Since I was the one doing the filling (and it was my life and limb on the line) you had to play by my rules. I personally don't think that is asking too much. If you want to fill your own tanks and use your own compressor to do it, then by all means do so. If another shop does not want to fill your tank because it does not have a green and yellow band around it, then take it elsewhere to get it filled. If that is not an option, then try (very diplomatically) to explain to the personnel of the LDS that a tank has to be clearly marked and the VIP sticker should satisfy that requirement. If they say it doesn't, then ask them to show you a printed rule book where it states that is the case. They will of course be unable to provide you with such as there isn't one.
 
What is the BIG deal about having the band anyway?
Does it really matter one way or the other?
Maybe it is just a BS PADI requirement, but what's the problem with having it, besides as someone said, it's not the cool thing to do anymore?
 
...it's not really about being cool or not. What it comes down to is that the "Green Band" stickers tell you that there is a possibility that there is Nitrox in the tank. Nothing more. In order to dive the gas in the tank safely, it needs to have a contents label on it with the percentage of oxygen (analyzed, not calculated), MOD, name, date, etc. The VIP sticker tells you that the tank has been looked at in the past year and for those that do partial pressure blending, a "cleaned for oxygen service" type sticker should be somewhere. So which of these stickers tells you nothing that you can't find out from any of the other stickers? That's right. The ubiquitous "Green Band" sticker. Why spend money on a sticker that really tells you nothing? As Ozzy says, "Don't ask me, I don't know."

My 2 cents.
-Frank
 
grunzster:
Does it really matter one way or the other?

Depends on where you are. On the diver's side of the cash register you know that if the banded tank comes back after a VIP without a NEW band the vip was improperly done. On the shop side of the register you'll have an excuse to hit the tank owner for some extra $s for the sticker and it's application.

From long experience I'm sure that on a cattle boat it will NOT keep the idiots who firmly belive that all tanks are "rentals" from using your second tank, so it's still the nitrox diver's job to NOT BRING a tank unsuitable for the deepest dive profile possible that day. The marking idea is good in theory. In practice it's about as reliable as Slick Willie's word. Something "out of the ordinary" seems to work a bit better. At least there is a chance the twit will ask somebody before just diving your tank.
 
A DIN tank tends to solve most of those kinds of problems :D
 
Ok that makes sense.

BUT...

Are you actually telling me that you actually would consider someone not to be DIR, just because of a stupid sticker?
 

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