CPR so you think you are doing it right !

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Makes very intresting reading.

CHICAGO(AP) CPR is often performed inadequately by doctors, paramedics and nurses, according to two studies of resuscitation efforts during cardiac arrest.

Whether a stricken patient is in the hospital or on the way, the guidelines for administering cardiopulmonary resuscitation frequently are not followed.

Among the problems commonly cited: Rescuers did not push hard enough or frequently enough on the victim's chest to restart the heart, and breathed air into the lungs too often _ either mouth-to-mouth or through breathing tubes.

Both studies used an experimental monitor that assesses CPR quality, and both received funding from Laerdal Medical Corp., a Norwegian company that developed the device with Philips Medical Systems.

The studies appear in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association.

The researchers explained that skills learned in the classroom can fall by the wayside in the stress-filled chaos of a real-life emergency. Also, they noted that chest compressions strong enough to break ribs are sometimes required, and rescuers can tire quickly.

In one of the studies, involving 67 adult patients at the University of Chicago, doctors and nurses failed to follow at least one CPR guideline 80 percent of the time. Failure to follow several guidelines was common.

"Patients who had it perfectly done were in the distinct minority," said Dr. Benjamin Abella, one of the researchers.

The other study involved 176 adults with out-of-hospital cardiac arrest treated by paramedics and nurse anesthetists in Stockholm, Sweden; Akershus, Norway; and London. Chest compressions were done only half the time, and most were too shallow.

More than 600,000 people die from sudden cardiac arrest each year in North America and Europe. The heart suddenly stops beating, either because of a heart attack or other underlying heart disease.

The combination heart monitor and defibrillator used in the studies includes a small sensor that attaches to the patient's chest and evaluates depth of chest compressions and other aspects of CPR. The monitor includes an automated voice that provides on-the-spot coaching, telling rescuers when chest compressions are not strong enough or frequent enough. But that feature was not used during the studies.

Both studies were too small to determine whether using the device saved lives, but the Chicago researchers said it could improve patients' survival chances.

"Without a device that gives you feedback in the heat of the moment, you can't drive an airplane that way _ and we can't take care of sick critical patients without the appropriate monitors," said the study's leader, Dr. Lance Becker, director of the university's emergency resuscitation research center.

The device is approved for experimental use in the United States, and the manufacturer is seeking Food and Drug Administration permission to sell it commercially in this country.

While other studies have found CPR techniques lacking, the JAMA studies are the first using a monitor to evaluate "what's going on during real cardiac arrests and in real people," said American Heart Association spokesman Vinay Nadkarni. "It's outstanding information."

The studies will be taken up at a medical conference next week in Dallas that could lead to an update of the CPR guidelines, Nadkarni said.

The studies add to evidence that the guidelines need to be simplified so that they "can be readily used in the real world," Drs. Gordon Ewy and Arthur Sanders, emergency medicine specialists at the University of Arizona, said in an accompanying editorial.
 
Wow, who knew? Thanks for posting this.
 
Part of the issue here is when we refresh every year the health and safety execetive appears to have changed the recommended numbers of compressions/breaths and/or ratio from one year to the next !
 
Damn, maybe I should practice....any volunteers????
 
Pulse with compressions? Yes. Stop compressions, pulse? No? Resume compressions. Thats how it's done. Over all depth may or may not have anything to do with effectiveness of compressions.....Guide lines are just that, guide lines. MAny of these studies are done by MDs who want there name on something. Take it wait a grain of salt.

BTW chest compressions don't "restart" the heart as is stated in the article.....Early defib followed by early ACLS is the key to survival.
 
String:
Part of the issue here is when we refresh every year the health and safety execetive appears to have changed the recommended numbers of compressions/breaths and/or ratio from one year to the next !

And when the new guidelines come out, stoping compressions to give a breath will be out the window! Never stop pumping will be the new guideline.
 
Scubaguy62:
Damn, maybe I should practice....any volunteers????

CLEAR......FfffttZZZZZttttt.


OH, you mean you would like to do chest compressions.....my bad....and why is your hair smoking?
 
It's not stated in the textbooks but during Paramedic school I was told "your not doing good CPR if you aint breaking ribs". We can see our compressions and rate on the moniters we use in the ambulances. I have heard of a new method in the works which involves chest/abdominal alternating compressions that is supposed to increase blood flow and provide ventilation, untill we can intubate.
 
Wildcard:
And when the new guidelines come out, stoping compressions to give a breath will be out the window! Never stop pumping will be the new guideline.

Right, and then after that, we're going to start doing compressions in the rescue diver course!
 
skeet:
It's not stated in the textbooks but during Paramedic school I was told "your not doing good CPR if you aint breaking ribs". We can see our compressions and rate on the moniters we use in the ambulances. I have heard of a new method in the works which involves chest/abdominal alternating compressions that is supposed to increase blood flow and provide ventilation, untill we can intubate.

It's called interposed abdominal counter pulsation. Just asking for reflux, and that went away several years ago I do believe. Someone trying it again?

No, the unintrupted compressions won't work in the water unles you can maintain an airway.
 

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