Class report: Dive planning mini -- Wow

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TSandM

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Last night and tonight, I attended a dive planning "mini" taught by Joe Talavera of Breakthru Diving, through Northwest Sports Divers.

I didn't have tremendous expectations of the class. I'd done Bob's gas management seminar, and I'd had the gas management stuff in Fundies, so I figured it would primarily be review. But I was signed up for the Rec 2 class with Joe over the weekend, so I thought I'd show the flag by being there for the mini.

Boy, was I wrong.

When you boil it down to the very basic facts, the class had no "new" material in it. But that's like saying that all photographs of Half Dome are equivalent -- It's just not true.

We started out by doing about half an hour of . . . mental ARITHMETIC!!!! Yes, things like 3.69 x 4.25. Doing reasonable approximations and using quick tricks for getting the answer. Why is this relevant? Because, for doing gas planning, you're going to be using SCR's in the .75 range, and things like 4.5 ATA, and you need to be able to do the math quickly and accurately ENOUGH, and in your head. Unless you carry a calculator or a pad of paper to the dive site, which I don't.

Then we talked about Rock Bottom, which anybody can understand if they read lamont's beautiful discussion, so why talk about it again? Because it isn't etched in stone. Because there are assumptions built into the calculation, and you need to know what they are, and under what circumstances they would need to be altered, and how you can alter them. (I loved this -- In my surgical training, protocols drove me crazy, because they allow relatively untrained people to function correctly in the circumstances where the protocol is valid, but you have to know what the origin of the protocol was to know when you are facing an exception which needs to be treated differently. This was the entire thrust of this part of the class.)

Then we talked about consumption at depth, and tank factors (how many cubic feet per 100 psi) and how you can use that information to figure out how much gas you SHOULD be using per five minutes, and what issues you should look for if your consumption isn't matching your estimate.

And then, tonight, we did gas planning scenarios for dives of various depths, using various tanks, and various consumption rates. We talked about halves and thirds, and dissimilar tanks and matching.

Five hours (or a little more) about dive planning. I wouldn't have believed that somebody could keep me utterly fascinated (AND absorbing new stuff) for five hours on the subject. I've got the academics cold. The class gave me the pragmatism, and reiterated that "no plan survives contact with the water", and that a thinking diver can adjust and reevaluate as needed, when Murphy comes to call.

A wonderful class.

Anybody who has the opportunity to attend a session like this with Joe should do it. I've been exposed to some absolutely first-class diving instruction, and this session was right up there.
 
Thanks for the report.

I use an SCR of 1.0 for two reasons: (1) it's conservative and (2) it makes the math easy ;)

At 1 CFM, I go through 34.42 PSI/min with my HP100, or 100 PSI every 2 minutes and 54 seconds.

Since I'm conservative on my SCR in the first place, I round liberally to 100 PSI for each 3 minutes of surface breathing. I use that for planning.

*Note: I use my actual average breathing rates to monitor consumption while wet (so I know if I'm leaking, etc.).
 
Yeah, that was one of the sections: What do you think about if your gauge isn't going down as fast as you think it should? What if it's going down faster than you think it should? There are several answers to each question.

We took this information into the class today and used it. I'll be posting a report on the class when it's over, but today was VERY educational (and humbling).
 
TSandM:
Yeah, that was one of the sections: What do you think about if your gauge isn't going down as fast as you think it should? What if it's going down faster than you think it should? There are several answers to each question.

I'm actually quite jealous that you have mini's over on the west coast. They seem to be an efficient way to continue training.

Regarding the gauge- I always find it odd when I look at my guage near the start of a dive- It seems to drop quickly at first and then get stuck. :D I know this is because of several factors that include 1) temperature decrease at depth 2) wing inflation during descent and 3) my breathing rate slows down once I get to the bottom- sometimes, there is a little work involved near the surface.

None the less, sometimes it's disconcerting to start with 3300 psi, descend in 4 minutes and the gauge reads 2800 psi, then 5 minutes later, it is at 2500 psi...
 
do it easy:
None the less, sometimes it's disconcerting to start with 3300 psi, descend in 4 minutes and the gauge reads 2800 psi, then 5 minutes later, it is at 2500 psi...

If you dive cold water (or cooler water), you gotta consider that the tanks are immersed and cooled to whatever the water temperature is. I've never checked but presumably the tanks go from around 75 degrees when they are in your car to whatever the local water temperature is.
 
TSandM:
Yeah, that was one of the sections: What do you think about if your gauge isn't going down as fast as you think it should? What if it's going down faster than you think it should? There are several answers to each question.

We took this information into the class today and used it. I'll be posting a report on the class when it's over, but today was VERY educational (and humbling).


Or what do you do you think about if your gauge isn't going down at all?

Mini's are absolute stroke of genius. Where else can you take a one day seminar to learn about what is involved in diving doubles? Or about how to dive with a stage bottle? Or run a line? Or how to do proper gas planning? You learn all that stuff perhaps in a technical diving class. But generally, the more advanced classes, particularly from 5thd-x or GUE, give you the feeling of drinking from a firehose. The minis are a great way to get educated in more digestible chunks.

As far as what to think when your gauge isn't moving (and you dive doubles)... I was diving today. My gauge sat at 3200psi for 20 minutes. Granted that the profile was very shallow, it still should have moved. It turns out that I inadvertantly shut the isolator when I did a flow check at the beginning of the dive.
 
Adobo:
Or what do you do you think about if your gauge isn't going down at all?

Besides being broken, the other alternative is that you aren't breathing the back gas! :11: Of course, this presumes that you have a stage or an independant air source.
 
You could also troubleshoot with a valve drill.... Just make sure that you check the SPG after shutting down and breathing down your Left Post...
 
Adobo:
If you dive cold water (or cooler water), you gotta consider that the tanks are immersed and cooled to whatever the water temperature is. I've never checked but presumably the tanks go from around 75 degrees when they are in your car to whatever the local water temperature is.
Yeah, some days there is a 40+ difference between the air temp and the bottom temperature. It might be mid 80's on the boat, and low 40's at the bottom. This would be about an 8% decrease in tank pressure. Then throw in a few cubic feet for the wing, and the numbers start to add up. :D
 

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