Bsac-padi Salt ?

[cdiver2]

Anyone know if the salt agreement is one way...other agencey to BSAC or is it two way BSAC...to other agencey?
I called PADI today and asked, I am BSAC AOW can I change to PADI DM. I was told no you will have to do a DM course.
Acording to the SALT agreement BSAC AOW is beyonde PADI DM.

http://www.bsac.org/techserv/salt.pdf

 

[simbrooks]

I thought if you wanted to exchange any rating you had to do equivalancy type testing or the exam itself. Not that i am saying that the BSAC doesnt have its plan together, i can see there is some leadership involved at the Dive Leader level and instruction at the Advanced Diver level, but is the Advanced Diver truly a professional level or just an experienced diver imparting knowledge according to the BSAC rules? I guess what i mean is that there are liabilities associated in instruction or at least the way it seems to be over here compared to the UK, the local branch system seems to be set up differently and i couldnt say if its quite the same atmosphere as your typical dive education over here. I would say the skills you have got are more than enough, but its the position you wish to attain within the diving industry that might be the stumbling block. According to this phrasing:

Because of the variation allowed in training for the higher diving qualifications awarded by US diver training agencies, BSAC is unable to accept them as being of a similar standard to BSAC Advanced Diver. However, Branch Diving Officer’s can judge additional experience and training on a case-by-case basis.

I would assume they still havent ironed out the finer points of where this qualification and other instructor ratings match up.

There seems to be a lot of talk lately about European diving standards BSAC and the French stuff (sounded like there was more than CMAS discussed at the time).

 

[Walter]

My understanding is it's a BSAC document to assist them in understanding how other certifications fit in their system. I don't believe it is an agreement at all.

 

[cdiver2]

My understanding is it's a BSAC document to assist them in understanding how other certifications fit in their system. I don't believe it is an agreement at all.

I think you are right I took the word agreement literally. Boy how we screw up the English language.

 

[fins wake]

My understanding is it's a BSAC document to assist them in understanding how other certifications fit in their system. I don't believe it is an agreement at all.

That's absolutely correct. This also answers cdiver2's question. It's a one-way street.

Incidentally, most BSAC Divers seem to shorten the Advanced Diver grade as AD, not AOW. PADI's AOW is way, way below what is required for BSAC AD.

Notice the caveat on the HSE's CMAS equivalence table:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/diving/qualifications/index.htm

"The above list is not a comparison of qualifications from one agency/organisation to another. Neither does it automatically grant any rights to persons wishing to use their current qualification to gain a qualification with another agency/organisation. Crossover requirements are entirely at the discretion of the agency/organisation to which the person is applying."

 

[scubadoguk]

Hi ya,
Many years ago I walked into Stoney Cove diver training with my BSAC advanced and wanted to do my DM/OWSI, I was put into the rescue diver class my goodness how humbled was I.
Now looking back because that there is no giving away sort of awards and wanting to start at the level I did, I see it was the right thing to do, looking back it may have been a overly generous way to do it because of the different philosophy and the fact I wanted to follow it all the way to instructor level, if I had been allowed to start at DM I would not have had the insight I got from doing the class and working with a great bunch of people to get my DM.
My instructor/ DM training was headed by Caroline Timms and 2 others that I worked with at that time Robert Simpson and Kim Parker, mostly :11: great role models on the whole and mostly :11: nice people.

 

[stu_in_fl]

I am BSAC AOW can I change to PADI DM. I was told no you will have to do a DM course.
Acording to the SALT agreement BSAC AOW is beyonde PADI DM.
http://www.bsac.org/techserv/salt.pdf

Even though BSAC AD may the next level beyond PADI DM (as Dive Leader may be the equivalent), PADI DM is really designed to help assist in teaching the PADI methodology - hence proabbly why they say you would need to take the DM course.

 

[String]

BSAC doesnt offer an "AOW" course so im not really sure what you're looking at.

The SALT (Statement of Alternative Training) is concerned with inbound qualifications converting to BSAC - its proof of training and an equivalent BSAC level. Not that even things matching on the SALT may require some additional lectures and/or theory to complete the transistion.

For example BSAC Sport diver although padi rescue with AOW would cross over requires additional lectures as Spot also includes decompression diving, different tables, DSMB use and so on.

Extremely roughly:

BSAC Sport <-> Padi Rescue with AOW
BSAC Dive Leader <-> Padi DM

The instructor grades and diver grades are separate in BSAC so not listed. BSAC Advanced diver doesnt have a cross over and is a very very high standard diving grade which most people take years to get so dont be fooled by the similar naming.

You could always look at CMAS equivalency to get a better idea.

BSAC Sport is CMAS **
BSAC Dive Leader is CMAS ***

and so on. Other agencies should also publish their equivalent CMAS level.