BCD waistbelt buckles

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On BCD waistbelts, I've generally noticed 2 kinds of buckles: 1) plastic or metal quick release buckles (like the ones on weight belts); and 2) finger squeezed plastic buckles with an audible click when closing. (Hope my descriptions are good enough cause I don't know if they have official names.)

Are there pros and cons of each or is it personal preference?
 
The advantage of metal over plastic ought to be obvious: it won't get broken if someone accidentally steps on it, drops a tank on it, etc. This metal-versus-plastic debate has arisen before, and if I recall, someone chimed in who was actually able to cite an instance of a plastic buckle breaking. My guess is that for the most part, it's not a major problem that actual divers are experiencing. I prefer metal hardware for the peace of mind, but I'm not going to point at someone else's plastic buckle and smugly assert "That's going to break someday."
 
The advantage of metal over plastic ought to be obvious: it won't get broken if someone accidentally steps on it, drops a tank on it, etc. This metal-versus-plastic debate has arisen before, and if I recall, someone chimed in who was actually able to cite an instance of a plastic buckle breaking. My guess is that for the most part, it's not a major problem that actual divers are experiencing. I prefer metal hardware for the peace of mind, but I'm not going to point at someone else's plastic buckle and smugly assert "That's going to break someday."

Thanks, but I was wondering more in terms of the 2 types rather than plastic vs metal...
 
plastic vs. metal lock closures-plastic is cheaper, lighter, and doesn't bend when stuff gets placed on it. Metal doesn't break when stuff gets dropped on it. Most people choose metal because of this, myself included. I have seen both broken plastic buckles and bent metal buckles. Neither are obviously functional at this point.

"normal" vs. fastex *what those click buckles are actually called*

Fastex buckles are prone to breaking when mishandled, especially when it's really cold out and they tend to get a bit brittle. Conversely they tend to release early when it's really hot out and the plastic is a bit more flexible.
1" webbing fastex are rated for far more pressure than the scuba gear is going to put on it in normal use. About 70lbs for the cheap ones working with a 200lb break, and about 4x that for the "nice" ones. Not going to ever see that in normal use. 2" webbing that we normally use is going to make those buckles a non-issue. They just don't break unless abused. I have heard of several breaking, but all were under abnormal use circumstances i.e. heavy shock load, and/or were abused.

Fastex buckles have 2 major downsides over the "normal" latch type buckle.
First and foremost is that they can slip fairly easily on the adjustment sides. It doesn't take much to get them to slide if there is any tension outside of the plane of the buckle or if the tension goes into a shock type scenario. I.e. quickly pick up a set of gear and the shoulder straps can shift. This isn't really an issue in the real world, but it is something to be aware of.
This leads to their main advantage. They can be cinched while buckled. The latch type has to be released before you can adjust it. Pros and cons.

Second concern with Fastex is that they are typically considered a permanent fixture. If they are a one side adjustment *most scuba gear uses one side adjustment*, then the fixed side has to be secured. This is done at the factory by sewing the webbing over, and can be done by the end user with a tri-glide. This is relatively annoying.
The adjustable side needs to have a tail of some sort and preferably have that tail folded over itself and sewn so it doesn't slide all the way thru the buckle. This also is ideally done with somewhat flexible webbing so it adjusts easily which means you now have something flapping around. You can obviously tuck it away somehow, but that's extra steps.

So, the latch type buckles that are "normal" allow the user to easily thread the fixed side into the buckle and make adjustments relatively easily. You obviously don't want to move that buckle on a regular basis if you can avoid it as anyone who has done it before can attest, but it's not terribly difficult. They can go easily onto any 2" webbing, whether flexible or rigid, and only require one side of the webbing to have something on it.
The "failure mechanisms" of the Fastex buckles are really not something that I would use as an argument against using fastex buckles, but since it does happen on occasion, it is more of the sprinkles on the icing on the cake.
 
I prefer the pull release buckles as I dive in cold water and between the thick gloves and cold hands I may not be able to release the squeeze release plastic buckles. Not being able to release might be problematic in an emergency.


Bob
 
Thanks, but I was wondering more in terms of the 2 types rather than plastic vs metal...

Sorry--I was unclear. What I was trying to say was that IF you choose metal, then that determines the type of buckle, since as far as I know you only have one type of buckle to choose from. The main advantage over a snap (Fastex) buckle is that, well, it's made of metal.

It looks like tbone addressed the pros and cons of the snap (Fastex) buckle pretty thoroughly.
 
Sorry--I was unclear. What I was trying to say was that IF you choose metal, then that determines the type of buckle, since as far as I know you only have one type of buckle to choose from. The main advantage over a snap (Fastex) buckle is that, well, it's made of metal.

It looks like tbone addressed the pros and cons of the snap (Fastex) buckle pretty thoroughly.

Cobra buckles perform similar to the Fastex plastic buckles and are metal. Same con list in terms of attachment though
 
I agree with Bob.
+1 on cold diving, thick gloves and quick release buckles
And my preference is for the metal ones, just seem sturdier...
 
Cobra buckles perform similar to the Fastex plastic buckles and are metal. Same con list in terms of attachment though

I had to Google that, as I've never heard of a cobra buckle. Do any BCs come with cobra buckles?
 

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