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I came across this article tonight but didn't think their strong comment about not diving past 50 was warranted. I certainly am hoping to be able to dive into my 70s.

CDNN :: Actor Donald Sutherland: 'Scuba Diving Almost Killed Me'


Actor Donald Sutherland: 'Scuba diving nearly killed me'

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HOLLYWOOD, California (2 Feb 2008) — Veteran Hollywood actor Donald Sutherland has revealed how he was struck by crippling chest pains – and feared he was going to die – after filming underwater scenes for his latest movie on the Great Barrier Reef.
The 72-year-old star was taken ill after returning to Los Angeles, where he lives, during a break in shooting Fool's Gold – a sunken treasure adventure starring Matthew McConaughey, Kate Hudson and Ewen Bremner.
"I was out at lunch with my wife, Francine, and I had a pain in my chest that you could not believe," said Canadian-born Sutherland, who gave up smoking and heavy drinking 40 years ago.
"Every time I took a breath, I would scream. It was awful.
"My wife drove me straight to the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.
"The policeman who took me in – because I couldn't walk – shouted out that I was having a heart attack."
Doctors examined the actor immediately, giving him an MRI and CAT scan and an electrocardiogram test, but could find nothing wrong – despite the intense pain remaining.
Sutherland's own physician and his movie-star son Kiefer rushed to the hospital as the family feared the worst.
But the pain abated after Sutherland was given morphine, and he was allowed home.
But the following day, the actor, who learned to scuba-dive for his role in Fool's Gold, began coughing uncontrollably.
"Finally, I coughed something up," he said.
"I initially thought it was chocolate. But when I looked closer, it was blood. I was pretty scared.
"I called my doctor immediately and went back into the hospital.
"They did a nuclear scan of my lungs and found what looked like a tumour.
"I asked my doctor, 'What does this mean? Is it lung cancer?'
"He said, 'Well, yes, it probably is'."
Sutherland informed the doctor he had to return to Australia to finish filming Fool's Gold – but was told that was impossible.
The actor, however, had other ideas and said to medical staff: "No way. If I've got lung cancer, there's no point staying - and if I don't have lung cancer, there's no point in staying."
Finally he was persuaded to have a bronchoscopy, which diagnoses conditions of the airways.
"So the next day at 8am, they wheeled me into surgery and they were going to give me a general anaesthetic," Sutherland continued.

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Actor Donald Sutherland says he is not happy after a scuba diving accident nearly killed him.
"I said to them, 'I don't want a general anaesthetic because, at my age, it tears apart pieces of your brain that will never come back'.​
"But they insisted they had to dig around in my lungs, so I allowed them to put me under.
"When I came round, the doctor was standing above me.
"The first thing that he said was, 'You haven't been scuba-diving, have you?'
"I said I had and asked him why. He said, 'Because you have a broken blood vessel in your lung. What we thought was maybe a tumour is, in fact, the clotted blood surrounding a broken bronchial blood vessel'.
"It was a big relief, but then the specialist told me I shouldn't have been scuba-diving beyond the age of 50.
"When I went back to Australia a few days later, I told the diving master on the film what had happened and he said, 'Oh God'.
"Then I told him, 'Apparently I'm not supposed to dive after 50 and I'm 72!'"
The actor says the diving master then confessed: "I know, I know, but I'm diving and my doctor told me I had to stop at 50 – and I'm nearly 60." Sutherland went on: "So my wife, who is there with me, says I can't dive any more. And then the other guy says, 'Yeah. I know. A guy near where we live went in. He was 72 and had an embolism and died'.
"I was not happy."
 
Sometimes things happen to divers who dive properly such as diving well within the dive tables and then getting bent. It is possible he held his breath or ascended to quickly or had some pre-existing condition that led to this. I plan on diving when I am 100. Come on Donald, don't be such a sissy. You are only as young as you feel.
 
Good medical advice rarely comes from hollywood actors and press. Is there any reason to think this is the exception?

Diving does have some dangers, no doubt slighty worse for us old guys. More so for those poorly trained or not following some pretty basic guidlines. The same could be said for any pyhsical activity including sex. Personally, I risk it (both).
 
Sounds like old Donald just screwed up and does not want to admit to poor technique or an outright mistake.

I'm 53. I know some day I will die. It would be just fine with me if it happened while diving --might make the news for the first time in my life. But I don't want to go because of some stupid mistake.

Yep, If I go while diving -- fine. If I go while backpacking-- fine. Sex-- fine. Just let me be doing something besides sitting on my behind when I go.
 
You would think once admitted to the hopsital diving would have come up. The "actor, who learned to scuba-dive for his role in Fool's Gold" should have been taugh the basics. I wonder how long after diving the incident took place? Gee, do you think Don was thinking about calling DAN?

AZ
 
There is a thread already going about this subject on SB.
 
Once again I will post an article I authored eight years ago for my column "Dive Bubbles" for my local newspaper. It answers some of the problems active participation in diving as a geratric.

The aiments described are occurring to you or have already occured to you, some have devestation immediate results, others take time prior to appearing.

<<<Yep I am approaching my eight decade of life and over six decades of free diving/spearfishing/Scuba diving-and yes there are problems that are a direct result of my diving.>>>>

HOW OLD IS OLD???

By Dr. Samuel Miller

I was having my usual Wednesday delicious cup of café latte at Andreini&#8217;s café, solving the problems of the world with my senior counterparts, Don Pieper, Joyce Ward and the junior components of our jolly group, Mike Rees, Dave and Pam Carroll, Russ and Patty Fish and Dee Dee Foat the founding members and loadstones of the group, Wally and Debbie Conger (as in Darva Conger!).

I was casually out lining my dive trips for the rest of the year, Canada to present a program at Scuba 2000, some antique equipment trading, a north island kayaking trip and a dip in Tobermory bay to explore the many shipwrecks that have been suspended in time. Back to again to Egypt and the Red Sea, our second trip this year, for some more world class sightseeing and certainly some of the worlds best diving. Finally our Baja trip, which my dear red headed wife, Betty, and I have visited so many times, it is like going to our second country and second home. We will spend three weeks kayaking, free diving spear fishing, eating a heck of a lot of tortillas and reconnecting with my Mexican heritage.

It was Joyce or Don who posed the question and opened the discussion, &#8220;Sam how long can you continue to dive?&#8221; Perhaps also imply why don&#8217;t you mature and go on senior vacations, like cruises, perhaps tour the museums or cathedrals of Europe, or maybe even take up old man&#8217;s sports like golf, card playing or trot next door purchase every thing Pete Skarda has for sale and become a &#8220;Jenuwine worm drowning wishing stick fisherman. Well! That&#8217;ll be the day!

I was reminded of a day almost fifty years ago. I was relaxing between dives on my trusty boat &#8220;Miss Tish&#8221; enjoying the warm noon day sun with my diving companion of that time frame Harry Vetter. &#8220;Boy this is the life&#8221; I though, &#8220;good boat, good diving, good companions.&#8221; &#8220;Wonder how long we can continue diving?&#8221; I ask Harry who was five years my senior and had about three years diving experience on me. &#8220;I don&#8217;t know but the &#8220;old Walrus&#8221;, Charlie Sturgill, he&#8217;s 43 and still is going strong&#8221; was Harry&#8217;s reply. . &#8220;Look at that fish boil over there, might be Berries but could be Yellows!&#8221; Harry exclaimed breaking our trance like daydreaming as we placed the Churchill fins on our feet and the rugged homemade mask, Charlie had fashioned for us, on our face. With our tried and trusty shoot&#8217;en irons firmly grasped in our hand we silently entered the chilly Palo Verdes water for a look see without the protection of a floatation device, warmth of a wet suit or knowledge of a diving class.

Much has been written about the minimum age to begin diving, but very little about the seniors. What is the age that a diver should think about another activity? What is the maximun age a person should begin to dive?

There are very few adult active sports that are immune to some sort of long term serious effect, jogging, bike riding, tennis, golf, skiing, surfing, they all have a down side of injuries and human deterioration.

Diving certainly isn&#8217;t immune; it targets the ears, bones and ancillary systems. At the Fathers of free Diving and Spear Fishing ceremonies in January this year, the majority of the honorees, all over 60, many in their 70&#8217;s, a smattering in their 80&#8217;s and a few kissing 90 had diminished hearing, many sported hearing aids, while others relied on animated gestures and strong booming voice for conversation. These were &#8220;Diving&#8217;s Greatest Generation,&#8221; the ones that free dove long before the introduction of Scuba, consequently had uncountable numbers of equalizations on their ear&#8216;s delicate tympanic membrane, causing long term damage.

There is also that real problem of &#8220;external auditory meatus exostosis&#8221; a medical term of a condition that is seldom heard or taught in the modern abbreviated diving courses. It is a bony growth in the external ear canal caused by prolonged exposure to cold water. A sort of a bony stalagmite/stalactite growth in the external ear, when fully developed will obstruct the canal, reduce hearing and entrap water causing all sorts of nasty painful infections. Do not despair it is very common in veteran surfers, swimmers and creaky old divers. I&#8217;ve had both conditions for at least 25 years; I must wash my ears with a solution of white vinegar and alcohol after every dive to prohibit infections. I also say HUH? A lot to my red headed wife Betty, and when she&#8217;s away I entertain Pismo Heights with my music selections.. There is a removal option; a sort of medical roto rooter type device that will remove these pesky little growths, but not quite yet!

Diving does have two affections that are almost proprietary, the bends and aseptic bone necrosis. In the beginning the dive tables was a chart of time and depth, one dive every 12 hours. Initially it was subscribed to as if Moses had carried it down from the mount, but then the law started to get bent, as did the divers at an ever-increasing rate. Interesting symptoms began appearing, tingling, rashes, coughs, irritated joints, but in a few days they disappeared and were forgotten. They had to be forgotten since there were very few recompression chambers available to recreational divers. The charts gave way to tables, to repetitive tables and finally the battery operated &#8220;bendomatic&#8221; computers, &#8220;no batteries no brains&#8221; as the number of bends case clogged the now ubiquitous decompression chambers

Associated with the bends is Aseptic Bone Necrosis, a medical term when translated into human talk means the death of a bone in the absence of bacteria. How does that happen? World-renowned experts are yet to agree on its etiology, some say prolonged exposure to the depths, others insist that it is the frequency of dives; current buzz is improper surfacing from any depth. That is one of the major reasons to momentarily stop around the ten foot mark for a few minutes when surfacing from any depth. There are only 206 or so bones in the body and not one to spare! When your out of bones you&#8217;re out of a body skeleton

With all these wonderful diving affections along with the other wonderful senior events, joint replacements, skin cancer and cataracts affecting &#8220;Diving&#8217;s Greatest Generation&#8221; when should seniors stop diving?. Cousteau made a dive on his 80th birthday, his naval commanding officer and his diving inspiration Philippe Tailliez made a Scuba Dive on his 92d birthday. When even they damn well please! They have earned the right and privilege of diving as long as they wish.

When then should it be appropriate for the grandparents to start diving? If they are athletically fit and realize their limitations, just about any age. They must recognize that the other senior divers who began with the sport are products of the SAID principle. SAID is one of those wonderful acronyms; Specific Adaptation to the Imposed Demands. To illustrate, an individual who has had a long-term adaptation to a specific activity has developed the skills, muscles and know how to perform the requirements of a given activity indefinitely with minimum ease and impact upon his body. Or even simpler a novice can never out perform the master.

The prostate Poseidons and menopause mermaids, those arthritic athletes who were members of Diving&#8217;s Greatest Generation were privileged participants in an era that will never be experienced again up on this earth. Few in numbers they are, like the call of the running tide, dwindling in numbers.

Dr. Miller was one of 88 in the world to be honored as an &#8220;International Father of Free Diving and Spear Fishing&#8221; at the first induction ceremonies in January of this year in San Diego.

sdm
 
It Pains Me To Think I Just Started Diving 2 Years Ago I'm 45 Now And I Only Have 5 Years Left To Dive .
This Is Not Exceptable .
Has There Been Any Case Studys On This Subject To Back That Up ??
If So I Would Like To Hear About Them .
I Haven't Even Begun To Dive Yet There So Much I Want To See And Do In The Diving World .
I Look At This. I Know A Man His Name Is Mo Hunt He Owns The Dive Shop Up At Alex Bay He's Older Then Dirt And I Mean No Disrespect To The Man .
He Still Gets Out There And Dives . He Use To Be A Salvage Diver .
What Does Dan Have To Say On The Subject ???
I Really Want To Know !!!

Dive Safe Everyone
Sonnyt
 
......."You should not go scuba diving beyond 50 years old"............whille I am admittedly not 72 years old......I dive on a regular basis and at 67 I am loving it as much as I did 17 years ago at age 50.........all I can say is Bull Manure.........life is a journey, take proper precautions and enjoy the ride.
 
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