A few drysuit questions

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WVMike

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As a new drysuit diver I have a few questions and or comments.

1. If you had to remove and replace your tanks underwater would you disconnect the drysuit hose first?

2. I where a medium bc, which is a little loose with no suit and 3 mil diving. With my 7 mil neoprene drysuit it is on the boarder line of being two tight. Does anyone have to use two BCs?

3. Fins, same as above, with a size 11 foot I where XL fins, and these are very tight and do not fit well over drysuit boots. Do you need two pair of fins? I quess I need to look at XXL fins?

Other than that, it is great to dive in.

mike
 
WVMike:
As a new drysuit diver I have a few questions and or comments.

1. If you had to remove and replace your tanks underwater would you disconnect the drysuit hose first?

I usually remove it last if removing the BC in the water but it is a personal choice. On most dry suits the inflator assembly can be roatated to accomodate a left or right hose routing and that may have some impact on your choice.

For the most part if the BC or BP/wing is just going off and then right back on, I won't disconnect the hose at all. If I am removing the BC or BP/wing on the surface, I disconnect the inflator hose last to allow me to double check the suit is properly inflated before disconnecting.

2. I where a medium bc, which is a little loose with no suit and 3 mil diving. With my 7 mil neoprene drysuit it is on the boarder line of being two tight. Does anyone have to use two BCs?

I use the same XL sized backplate and harness when switching between a 7mm one piece semi dry and a dry suit. I can get by with the same harness adjustment for both, but it just rides a bit higher with the dry suit and requires a little lenghtening of the crotch strap. So I will make some harness adjustments when switching for the season.

I have also used a back inflate BC in the past and could dive it with both a wet suit and semi dry but some shoulder strap and waist strap adjustment was needed.

My spouse on the other hand dives a conventional jacket style BC. A medium is a little small for her drysuit and a large is a little large for her wet suit, so she owns two. In my opinion valve access is better with a back inflate BC or a BP/wing.

3. Fins, same as above, with a size 11 foot I where XL fins, and these are very tight and do not fit well over drysuit boots. Do you need two pair of fins? I quess I need to look at XXL fins?

A lot depends on the specific dry suit boot and on the strap. My XL jet fins caused my size 10 1/2 EEE feet to cramp in dry suit boots so I switched to a pair of Mares Plana Avanti fins. Mares fins have very large and wide foot pockets as do Aqualung blades and both make good choices for dry suit use I don't think XXl fins are required and I suspect a set of XL fins from Mares may do the trick as they have about the widest foot pockets in the industry.

Recently though I added spring straps to my Jet Fins and had no problems at all with cramping during a vehicle recovery where I spent 2 1/2 hours in 40 degree water during 2 back to back dives. So I have concluded much of the original cramping issue was due to strap adjustment issues rather than the foot pocket itself. In my opinion, the self adjusting nature of a spring strap gives you a better feeling of fin security without the risk or need to over tighten the strap.

The nature of the fin strap also tends to keep it in place on the heel with none of the feeling that the strap is slipping off the heel that can occur with a conventional strap.
 
WVMike:
As a new drysuit diver I have a few questions and or comments.

1. If you had to remove and replace your tanks underwater would you disconnect the drysuit hose first?

I've never found a reason to remove my tanks underwater except in training, but because of the hose routing, I'm thinking I would disconnect the hose to accomplish this. You would be able to break the connection and remake it with little leakage and fuss.


2. I where a medium bc, which is a little loose with no suit and 3 mil diving. With my 7 mil neoprene drysuit it is on the boarder line of being two tight. Does anyone have to use two BCs?

Like the other poster, I have gone to a backplate and wing, and will NOT go back to a jacket. I wear the same rig with my drysuit, my 3mil shorty and over a tee shirt. I suppose those of you who are wealthy can afford to buy a couple sets of gear depending on what you are wearing in the water that day, but I found the one rig just works fine for me.

3. Fins, same as above, with a size 11 foot I where XL fins, and these are very tight and do not fit well over drysuit boots. Do you need two pair of fins? I quess I need to look at XXL fins?

I ran into the same problem. I have a pair of "Turtle fins" that I wear with my drysuit boots, and also have a pair of Tusa Zoom split fins for when I'm playing in the tropical water in a shorty. But on my last trip, I wore the Turtles with booties and they worked just fine. So, I may sell the Tusa's (they have foot pockets large enough, but seem to be too 'floppy' to use with the drag of a drysuit) as they get carried around a bit, but not used too much.

Hope this is just a little help, Mike!

Other than that, it is great to dive in.

mike
 
WVMike:
As a new drysuit diver I have a few questions and or comments.

1. If you had to remove and replace your tanks underwater would you disconnect the drysuit hose first?

2. I where a medium bc, which is a little loose with no suit and 3 mil diving. With my 7 mil neoprene drysuit it is on the boarder line of being two tight. Does anyone have to use two BCs?

3. Fins, same as above, with a size 11 foot I where XL fins, and these are very tight and do not fit well over drysuit boots. Do you need two pair of fins? I quess I need to look at XXL fins?

Other than that, it is great to dive in.

mike

1.) For me to remove my rig underwater means I need to turn 180 degrees to face it to remedy an entanglement or something. My drysuit hose is to my left so I would have to disconnect it first and of course rotate to my right (following my regulator hoses) keeping my right arm hooked in the BC or backplate harness. Most of my lead is on the backplate harness or BC so I need to keep ahold of that at all times.

2.) You should be able to use one rig. I would opt for the larger BC then just tighten the straps if you are diving in a 3mm.

3.) I have not had this experience either. My neoprene drysuit boots are just a bit larger than my wetsuit boots so I did not have a problem with this.

--Matt
 
Hello Mike,

I recognize where you are coming from on the BC issue. For single tanks, I use a jacket BC. It is pretty much adjustable, so my large PRO QD+ works well for both tropical (3mm wetsuit) and drysuit diving.

I have had to remove my rig on the surface (demonstrate to students) in a drysuit. It isn't incredibly different from doing it in a wetsuit. Like Aquamaster, I would leave the inflator hose until last if I had to do this underwater and wouldn't disconnect it at all if I was simply getting into and out of my rig underwater.


Fins: Same answer as Aquamaster. Get fins and straps that work for you. Not all fin foot pockets are created equally and your mileage with everybody else's suggestions may vary.

Most of all, enjoy the drysuit? Doesn't it make cold water diving just so much more fun when you aren't freezing at the end of the dive?

Brian
 
Thanks for all the input and advice. Looks like back plate and wings will sovle some of the problems. I have been planning on that upgrade for awhile.

I will look into recommended fin options. I have some ScubaPro jet fins XL w/o springs ( soon to be rectified), but could not get foot all the way in. My beginner fins do have spring straps which helped jammed foot in, but have to pry them off at end of dive.

"So much gear to get, so little money"

Mike
 
diverbrian:
Hello Mike,

I have had to remove my rig on the surface (demonstrate to students) in a drysuit. It isn't incredibly different from doing it in a wetsuit. Like Aquamaster, I would leave the inflator hose until last if I had to do this underwater and wouldn't disconnect it at all if I was simply getting into and out of my rig underwater.

Hi Brian, I wear my suit hose on right side, and route it under the arm, so that leaves primary on top of arm and inflator hose under arm. Is this the way you do it?

diverbrian:
Most of all, enjoy the drysuit? Doesn't it make cold water diving just so much more fun when you aren't freezing at the end of the dive?

Brian

Yes it is, it brings a whole new attitude to the experience. I am more comfortable in general in this suit vs my farmer johns 7 mil wet suit.

mike
 
frankenmuth_tom:
I've never found a reason to remove my tanks underwater except in training, but because of the hose routing, I'm thinking I would disconnect the hose to accomplish this. You would be able to break the connection and remake it with little leakage and fuss.

Hey Tom,

I never had a reason to either, until: During my last dive at Gilboa my tank became loose, this has never happend to me before, somehow the cam became undone. I new it was loose and was trying to balance it on back and just finish dive, but as the air supply got low it started to float up. My buddy tried to help but his fingers were pretty numb by then. We had to ascend and I ended up removing BC on surface and fixing it and then donning and back under. I did undo the hose and then had to have Sam get it back to me, and help me as well gearing up. This was also confouned by BC being tight.

I can do this effortlessly in 3 mil or skins. So another big lesson learned about practicing skills on changing of equipment. Ideally this could have been done on bottom.


frankenmuth_tom:
Like the other poster, I have gone to a backplate and wing, and will NOT go back to a jacket. I wear the same rig with my drysuit, my 3mil shorty and over a tee shirt.

I am convinced that is the way to go, and will be asking you guys for advice when I am ready to buy. Right now my first priority is cold water regs, then BP and Wings.

thanks again

Mike
 
WVMike:
Hi Brian, I wear my suit hose on right side, and route it under the arm, so that leaves primary on top of arm and inflator hose under arm. Is this the way you do it?

Hey Mike,

You have described my hose routing in both rigs, except that with doubles I use a five ft. hose on my primary. That hose routes under my arm and back up around the back of my neck and to my mouth. But my drysuit routes in from under my right arm in both rigs. Just always seemed to make sense to me and I can find my drysuit hose if I need it.

WVMike:
Yes it is, it brings a whole new attitude to the experience. I am more comfortable in general in this suit vs my farmer johns 7 mil wet suit.

I know what you mean, my two pc. 7mm farmer john and shorty combo have been collecting dust for quite some time.
 
Brian,

You must have the high speed connection at work too. ARRGG, it is 1:06 pm, got to back to the grindstone.

mike
 

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