5050z & PT015 & sea+sea

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hi all,

i'm looking at getting the 5050z with 015 housing and see that various sea&sea bits are 'compatible'.
my current uw camera set up is the motormarine 2ex, ys50TTL flash, wide angle and 2t macro lens.
i'm led to believe that the lenses will work on the 015 housing (with an adapator???), however, would i be able to utilise the flash unit in any way?
if not, does the 5050z have a pre flash? if so, can the pre-flash be turned off? reason for asking is that i could use a dIY opto coupler, to fire the ys50 (albeit at full power), driven by the on-board camera flash.

hope that lot makes sense, and thanks in advance for any replies.
 
The Olympus 5050z uses pre-flash to set white balance, so your YS 50 would fire on the preflash -- and not be ready for the main flash. In short, it would not work for the 5050z. You will probably need a new strobe.

It's a challenge for an underwater camera to communicate with an external underwater flash reliably, and a second challenge to support the pre-flash/flash operation which many digital cameras need. Loosely speaking, there are two ways. The flash can either sense the camera onboard flash output and mimic it, or use the camera's hot shoe signals with some custom electronics (more on that later). Ideally, for true TTL flash exposure you want to use the hot shoe signals, but the PT-015 case does not bring them out, so that's not easily possible.

Different strobe makers have different solutions to this problem. Most build sensors which observe the camera onboard flash and signal the external flash to fire at the same time. Ikelite does this with a "wireless TTL" sensor which sends an electrical signal to its digital flash via copper wire (guess that wire doesn't count?). Sea and Sea DX models use a fiber optic light pipe to sample the onboard flash optical signal and reflect it to the optical trigger on its digital flash. In both cases the flashes are special for digital cameras, in that they can double flash for the preflash and main flash. (Older flashes, including the YS-50, can not reliably be ready for the second flash, unfortunately.) The Light and Motion Tetra 5050 housing takes a different approach, bringing out the camera hot shoe TTL exposure signals to a bulkhead connector on the housing and firing their flashes using those electrical signals and copper wire cables to their flashes. Unfortunately, the housing alone costs US$1500, and the flashes are rather expensive too, so this elegant solution which allows full TTL flash control is beyond the reach of many of us.

It is announced that Olympus has developed a special UW flash housing for its FL20 flash and the necessary slave trigger electronics to control it, but only for the 5060 and later cameras. For now, it seems there are only two reasonably priced solutions for the earlier models: the Ikelite "wireless TTL" sensor solution using their DS-50 or DS-125 flashes and the Sea&Sea optically coupled solution using S&S YS90-DX flashes. These are available and work for many uses, although the S&S are actually operating as manual flashes with pre-set output levels, not TTL controlled.

I will be experimenting with a new gadget that reputedly solves that problem and allows full TTL control flash with the PT-015. Hopefully this will take some of the guesswork out of operating the camera while diving and yield better images than I have been getting with my current setup.
 
I alluded to a TTL flash controller for the PT-015 case, here is a pointer to the supplier.

http://www.muenster.de/~matthias/blitz/oly2nikone.htm

You have to supply a cable to your flash, and currently the supported flashes seem to be mainly the Sea and Sea with Nikon TTL connectors. Matthias also says he will develop a version of his Olympus hot shoe converter with just wires, to allow OEMs or experimenters to connect to a bulkhead connector. Should be interesting.

It seems that Olympus finally has released its housing for the FL-20, which supports TTL flash control on the 5060, but unfortunately not on the 5050. Is anybody brave enough or crazy enough to drill a hole in their PT-015 case, add a bulkhead connector, and use this new flash housing with the 5050? Here is a pointer to one supplier for this flash housing (Yuzo-san). Click on Housings and scroll down.

http://www.uwdigitalcamera.com/English/euwdigitalindex.htm

The housing includes the necessary cable to the PT-020, and of course you also have to buy the FL20 too. But this looks like a nice solution for PT-020 users.
 
thanks for all the info slowhands (been away all weekend so not been able to reply sooner). i'll probably end up going for the 5050z with the 015 case and either make up an opto coupler, running the flash on half or full power, or use a diy video light.

excellent links. thanks very much. i like the stuff on mathias site. will probably give that one a go.

i also got the strobe spec wrong...it is a YS60 TTL/S. the old one was the 50.

cheers, dave
 
The C-5050's internal flash has a 'slave' function which prevents the pre-flash. This allows strobes with the slave function to be used.

Yuzo at UWDigital Camera has the adapters to use the MMII lenses. He prefers payment by PayPal and gives discounts for using it. Email him and ask about using your YS50, I can't remember if it can slave off the camera or not.
 

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