1min NDL at 13m... why??

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Hi all. I have my suunto ocean set to GF 45/90 and this was my first dive of the day on regular air. I was sitting at about 20-25m for 20mins which forced me to shallow up but can someone explain (in Lamens terms) why my NDL is this low at this depth? With every 10cm I shallow up from here, NDL increases by like 10mins. Very strange, and not even my D5 gave me this treatment. Cheers

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Not strange at all. You're right on the border of mandatory deco, and a GF of x/90 is on the aggressive side. Assuming ocean, a 20 min NDL happens at 21 m [Edit: 25m. Sorry, I used the wrong GF values earlier. I don't normally use x/90.] for typical descent/ascent rates (15 & 10 mpm). You probably didn't descend that fast or that far, so you didn't quite go into deco.

Imagine several types of tissues that absorb & release nitrogen at different rates. Each has some amount above surface pressure where research shows things start getting dangerous. This level is considered 100%, so you have a 10% safety margin at your GF setting. At 13 m, you're off-gassing (releasing from) the fastest tissues but still on-gassing (absorbing) in the not-quite-fastest down to the slowest ones. As you shallow up, you on-gas slower so you can stay longer before it becomes an issue.
 
Not strange at all. You're right on the border of mandatory deco, and a GF of x/90 is on the aggressive side. Assuming ocean, a 20 min NDL happens at 21 m [Edit: 25m. Sorry, I used the wrong GF values earlier. I don't normally use x/90.] for typical descent/ascent rates (15 & 10 mpm). You probably didn't descend that fast or that far, so you didn't quite go into deco.

Imagine several types of tissues that absorb & release nitrogen at different rates. Each has some amount above surface pressure where research shows things start getting dangerous. This level is considered 100%, so you have a 10% safety margin at your GF setting. At 13 m, you're off-gassing (releasing from) the fastest tissues but still on-gassing (absorbing) in the not-quite-fastest down to the slowest ones. As you shallow up, you on-gas slower so you can stay longer before it becomes an issue.
Ok I get that I'm a minute away from Deco, but surely at 13m I should be off-gassing enough to allow me more than 1 minute at that depth? And if I ascend even just 1 metre, my NDL goes up by like 10-20 minutes, and exponentially increases after that. Just curious is there any way to gain more NDL time after ascending <20m?
 
Ok I get that I'm a minute away from Deco, but surely at 13m I should be off-gassing enough to allow me more than 1 minute at that depth? And if I ascend even just 1 metre, my NDL goes up by like 10-20 minutes, and exponentially increases after that. Just curious is there any way to gain more NDL time after ascending <20m?
Off gassing doesn't happen instantaneously. It takes some time. Also keep in mind that the Bulhmann algorithm is a bit rough right on the edge. One moment you can have ndl of 1 minute or even be in light deco and a couple of minutes/meters shallower you can get ndl's of 30 mins or more which is non intuitive at all.

As a result it is suggested to avoid alltogether these "grey" areas and always keep on the safe side of things by ascenting before the NDL get's too low (unless prepared/trained/planned for entering deco).

You can experiment with the dive planning feature of subsurface to see how the algorithm responds in these conditions.

As for how to get more NDL, the way to achieve this is to dive Nitrox.

With exact same conditions (25meters for 25 minutes) breathing 32% Nitrox, you get 11 minutes of NDL and if you ascent to 13meters you get >2hours NDL according to subsurface dive planning.
 
Ok I get that I'm a minute away from Deco, but surely at 13m I should be off-gassing enough to allow me more than 1 minute at that depth?
To understand, you need to wrap your head around a few things:
- Tissues on-gas and off-gas at different rates (slow/medium/fast tissues - estimated as theoretical tissue compartments)
- Normally during the ascent, you're both on-gassing and off-gassing different tissues at the same time
- At around 2ATA (10m) you're getting close to a point where you can possibly ascend fully saturated without DCS

Hence, the reason you only have 1 minute of NDL, is that some of your tissues are 1 minute away from the point where a normal ascent from 13m will no longer keep them at 90% of Buhlmann's limit for supersaturation at any point during the ascent to the surface - meaning a direct ascent as stipulated by the algorithm/computer in terms of ascent rate is no longer possible.

However, because you are so close to a depth where you can possibly make a direct ascent even when fully saturated, the NDL times will drastically increase the closer you get to this theoretical boundary.
 
The NDL is the time remaining before you saturate enough from your current saturation to the point that immediate ascent is impossible. Even with a starting saturation of "neutral at the surface", you've only got about 110 minutes of NDL at 13m. Since you'd clearly been deeper than that during your dive you were already more saturated than that.
 
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surely at 13m I should be off-gassing enough to allow me more than 1 minute at that depth?
To simplify, forget about off-gassing for a moment. Picture on a shelf, two buckets with heights 30 cm and 20 cm, representing the NDL surfacing limit. (If they overflow, you've gone into deco.) These are connected to one of several water pumps on the floor. The more water in the bucket, the harder it is to pump more water in, so the amount of water you can put in the bucket depends on the strength of the connected pump. The other difference between the buckets is they are being filled through a hole in the bottom by hoses of different diameter -- the 30 cm by a large hose, the 20 by a small hose. Since the pump output (pressure or water forcing power) is the same, the skinny hose (shorter bucket) fills slower. Lastly, someone turned on the pump before you got there, so there are different amounts of water in each bucket.

Now consider the pump output is related to the ambient pressure at 13 m. Unfortunately, that's strong enough to overflow both buckets. The water level and fill rates are such that the large bucket will overflow in 3 minutes and the smaller bucket in 5 minutes. NDL is therefore tied to the large bucket, giving you 3 minutes.

You notice another pump next to the 13m pump labeled 12m. That's a weaker pump, so you disconnect the 13m and connect the 12m pump to the hoses. (This is the analog to ascending from 13m to 12m.) Conveniently, the large bucket can hold more than the weaker 12 m pump can output -- it will never overflow! Cool, we don't have to worry about that bucket any longer. Unfortunately, the slower-filing bucket is not tall enough to hold enough water to stop the pump. The current water level and ingress speed are such that it will overflow in 10 minutes. Your NDL therefore jumps from 3 minutes to perhaps 10 minutes since the controlling bucket switched. This is how a large jump in NDL can occur.

If you connect the 11m pump, the slower flow rate will overflow the small bucket in perhaps 12 minutes. (Also understand that as the level in the bucket approaches pump capacity, the rate slows even further for a given pump.) Connect the 10m pump and it will overflow in perhaps 20 minutes. Connect the 6m pump -- which is not strong enough to ever fill either bucket -- and you can stay there all day if you had enough gas.

Now, one point that perhaps is confusing you: Off-gassing is not a concern for the NDL time shown. By definition, NDL means you can directly surface at any time. None of your buckets are filled to the rim -- or past, if you can imagine such a thing. (FWIW, your Suunto Ocean uses 16 buckets.) As you connect weaker and weaker pumps (i.e., ascend), the level in the bucket will become higher than the pump capacity, so the water backflows & the level drops (aka off-gassing). We don't care about that for NDL because we had already stopped worrying about that bucket. It is an important consideration, though, as less water in the bucket means more margin from overflow, as well as contributing to the setup for your next dive. If you bump a nearly full bucket (i.e., strain while climbing the boat ladder or schlepping tanks to the car), you're more likely to overflow (i.e., DCS hit) compared to a less full bucket.

To wrap up the analogy: the buckets are tissue compartments in your dive computer. The bucket height is the desired surfacing limit (in your case 90% of where Buhlmann wanted to draw the line). The pump strength is the inert gas partial pressure at whatever depth you're at. This partial pressure is the ambient pressure (2.3 bar at 13 m) times the nitrogen fraction (0.79 for breathing air, but less for nitrox). In other words, diving nitrox weakens the pumps so it takes longer to fill the buckets (their size doesn't change) leading to longer NDL times or more margin (or a mix of both).
 

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