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Probably help if it was in the proper sub-forum. As it's in the main forum pretty much anything's a go.

Maybe it's just my body shape but I don't seem to have any issues with it. The line routes under my arm and the gauge sits tight to me. Granted I don't do a lot of stage dives and I'm likely just using a single stage and dropping off a deco bottle but it's pretty convenient not having to...

The same thing I now do with stages? Not sure what the questions is. One method or the other, the gauge is going to be clipped to a ring that has a stage clipped to it as well. Maybe you mean the stage bottle gauges? My gauges are on 6" hoses that are just as easily read by glancing down at...

I clip my gauge to my left shoulder D-ring. All I have to do is look down and left. Helmet light makes it a 100% hands free operation.

N/M You answered it. I suppose I prefer tried and true. The cost savings is significant however. Good to know.

That's what I was getting at. It's absolutely expected to keep improving, but with the rapid pace of light technology when you leave last year's customers in the dust with maybe the possibility of support for discontinued lights well........ I can't see dropping a couple of grand a pop just...

Dive Rite's customer service is top notch for sure. I own a couple grand worth of their products so no complaints in that department either. Lights are a relatively expensive venture and when I buy one I want to know it's because they are time tested and will be around for awhile. DR doesn't...

No, not for any of their LED's.

The problem with Dive Rite lights is they discontinue them right about the time you need parts. The only two companies I would recommend are Light Monkey and Underwater Light Dude. They have been extensively proven in North Florida caves.

Well that's not going to happen. Not any more likely that everyone choosing the same politicians. People believe different things.

Then there is no reason to have any restrictions at any level of diving. We teach students dive physics and send them on their way. No depth restrictions, no gas limit restrictions, no deco restrictions. They police themselves or die. OK I'm in, you convinced me.

If you see it as a marketing ploy then you don't understand how limiting penetration gas is used as a safety factor. That's been explained by several people so far.

Agencies should not lower the standards to meet the student or their expectations. They should do what is safe and prudent. They should use the lessons taught by history.

On one hand you advocate changing the standards because everyone breaks them anyways and on the other hand you tell me that YOU don't break standards and because you can be an adult and do what's right everyone should be able to do so as well. Do you see the conflict here?

You do understand that thirds from a single tank and sixths from a twinset are the same right? I just want to make that clear.

Your point is moot. Whether it's sixths from twins or thirds from doubles is absolutely irrelevant. We don't advocate or concede breaking the standards anymore than we raise speed limits because some people speed (as was mentioned earlier).

It was thirds of a single tank for intro divers. Cave divers could use doubles. You are STILL limited on the gas you can use for penetration at the intro level.

Lol

So I say we go ahead and stick to the conservative training curriculum, it gives new divers the time to figure stuff like this out while they are closer to the entrance.... ;)

I'm pretty sure he was frustrated with me...