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I am trying to attend, however, I have other commitments. But since I got a special PM invitation, I thought I would try. It may be surface support only, but I am gonna work on it. Is there an alternative plan in case the run off is too bad?

Ok. I'm jealous! Softball season this year is going to KILL me! Can't make this one. If you plan it next month on any other weekend than the weekend of the 17th, I promise I'll try to get there!!!!

Still sunny in the South!

I can't say for certain I can make every month, so I'll chime in on the ones I can get too. I would love to do some OC/LA diving - and off a boat would be even BETTER! I too, hate those nasty swell fighting swims that get you all tired before you even have fun! Sundays would work for me since...

Can Jennifer get her wetsuit by then? THAT'S the big question!

I absolutely love b/w photography! With all the technology we have these days, I still believe in b/w!!! Thank you for sharing!! That made my day!:D

I'll be 19 I guess. Oh, to be 19 again!!! :D

To diving and to the board!:out:

Hey! Are you up for visitors???:D

That is just plain cruel!

"We certainly don't think that way when diving (I hope)... if we did, the coral and animals underwater would be there for our pleasure and domination. There would be nothing wrong with me standing on a reef if that pleased me and I could eat or kill whatever I wanted since I am a human and I...

As a matter of fact, I do read your posts. Which is why it is hard to actually take you seriously at all. #1 I was placing perspective on what Spectre was saying. He quoted something you said and gave an example. The example he gave does support his thought, but not yours. You have said...

Jeff - You are misreading that quote I think. He is saying its ok to put the dog down because the human is more important! That is what I have the problem with.

I think there's a better word than troll.......

Okay, but I at least (maybe others too) am struggling with the fact that you appear to believe it is ok for him to beat the dog! Why is that?

They are certainly not human, so they are not held to a higher standard!:out:

If you shot this guy, I think even Jepuskar would be overruled in a jury!:bash:

So sadly, we don't get to decide whether we can shoot him or not because it would just bring a rainfall of legality upon our own selves. But we digress from the facts of the story in that HE SHOT HIMSELF!

Obviously, given the scenario and because I have a child, I would save the child - but not for lack of caring for the animal. I know many people, who don't have children of their own, or who have pets they consider to be their children, whose opinion may not be the same. And because the animal...

DO WE KNOW IF HE WAS INCAPACITATED? I don't believe that was shared with the family. Even so, you obviously misread my comment. But since you are looking for an argument, I would expect nothing less. But since you believe so strongly, why do you place human life above any other?