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  1. bigDave

    Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    Guys, just keep in mind (as pointed out by our marine experts here) that solving one problem often creates another. An example being Germanwings flight 9525. After the events of 9/11, cockpit doors were reinforced around the world to secure the flight deck against hijackers. Unfortunately that...
  2. bigDave

    Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    Question I have not seen addressed - what kind of firefighting equipment was on the Conception? I have seen photos with a couple of fire extinguishers, and a photo of a locker. I know in this case it was hopeless once discovered, but again just curious about what tools were there to fight...
  3. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    This reads like the whole crew was asleep. I thought there had to be at least one person awake for wheelhouse/anchor watch?
  4. bigDave

    Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    Understand, my suggestion is specific to Truth and Vision when they resume operations.
  5. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    It does seem that the NTSB factual reports generally are admissible. The conclusions in a final report are not. https://www.wilsonelser.com/writable/files/Attorney_Articles_PDFs/016111508wilson-attorney-article.pdf
  6. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    Thousands, surely not. Maybe not even any, as I'm sure California is adequately supplied with personal injury attorneys. Please, keep in mind, this is not Drifting Dan. There are real damages to real people. You may not like the ads, but the families need legal representation now - the legal...
  7. bigDave

    Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    So my suggestion is that the boats should have a dedicated main deck watch who walks the main deck at night and is in the salon when not walking around. We now know (at a sadly high price) that the salon must be clear for any evacuation from the sleeping quarters. This is in addition to any...
  8. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    It won't go over well with much of their customer base, either.
  9. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    Pretty tone deaf of the owners to file paperwork when one of the lost souls has yet to be recovered.
  10. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    I looked everywhere I could think of. Maybe it is on a page that got pulled. Though I went back to some old pages on archive.org and didn't see it there either. Important lesson, don't mess with a Wookie....
  11. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    I actually did look up the waiver for the Peace boat out of Ventura. I could not find the Truth Aquatics waiver. The Peace waiver enumerates a list of safe diving practices among other things. https://www.peaceboat.com/v/vspfiles/assets/LiabilityReleaseForm.pdf The actual release of liability...
  12. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    A good point, as it seems nobody sues Expedia or Orbitz after an aircraft incident. You could argue that the trip operator chartered the boat, and bears some responsibility for ensuring the safety of their clients. The Finstad family business has been chartering these vessels (and others) for...
  13. bigDave

    Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    AT 3 a.m., I'm not sure you can even get 34+ folks up the staircase in 3 minutes. Especially if only emergency lights or none. It would be pandemonium and folks are half-asleep, panicked, or somewhere in between. Some may have even taken sleep aids. (After this incident, sleep aids are plainly...
  14. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    This could go the same way, though in that case there were survivors who witnessed the pyrotechnics ignite the blaze and the foam. According to your Wikipedia link, the largest settlement actually came from the TV station of all things. Anheuser-Busch contributed to the settlement. Note that the...
  15. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    Possibilities - yes. The batteries are likely all destroyed, and unlikely to identify a specific battery and manufacturer as the cause. Cooking equipment was not in use, very unlikely. Smoke detectors maybe they worked just fine and the fire blew up too fast. Good luck getting a contingency...
  16. bigDave

    Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    Not so easy if you are already breathing smoke and maybe blinded by fumes. Keep in mind there is a ventilation system in the bunk room - depending on the location of its intake, it could have been pumping smoke into the bunk room. Also keep in mind that "cheap" technology solutions become a lot...
  17. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    What defendants other than the tour operator (Worldwide Diving Adventures) and the boat operator (either Truth Aquatics' LLC or the Conception's LLC). Sue the Coast Guard? Sue the people that built the vessel in 1981? Sue the surviving crew members? Sue the owner - maybe, but I would guarantee...
  18. bigDave

    Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    The Conception had a wood hull covered with fiberglass. ‘Worst Case Scenario’ in Santa Cruz Island Boat Fire
  19. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    I think that’s a great analogy, except perhaps a 2 story structure with a basement.
  20. bigDave

    Legal considerations for the Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

    Nice! I commend your commitment to safety.
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