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The diver is question CHOSE to dive to 100'. Other members in the group CHOSE not to go that deep. The diver in question had false expecations about the role of a DM in this setting and I am pissed off as to why this was the case. I want to know where that expectation came from and I think we...

Other things not done: 1) Victim did NOT plan his own dive. The OP planned hers. 2) If the victim did plan his dive - he did NOT follow it ... unless swimming to 345' was part of his plan Unfornately the victim did take the ultimate responsibility for his actions. However - if he had...

This is from the PADI DM course - Chapter #2 from the manual (Supervising Certified Divers). Question from the Knowledge Review: "Describe the aspects of diving that do and do not fall within the divemaster's responsibility, and the aspect of dive planning and diving for which each diver...

Where in the world would anybody get the idea that they could/should check their personal responsibility at the door and let someone they just met take 100% (even 1% for that matter) responsibility for them? As I see it - either society is helping to develop this viewpoint or new divers are...

I know you are dissapointed by the weather - however, it works great for me since now I won't be working on Sunday and can go diving. I was in the Detroit River on May 3rd and registered a temp of 41 degrees. Although I was in a drysuit there were lots of wetsuit divers and they all seemed to...

I think the OP mentioned that the DM in question was put on "teaching duty" while the investigation was going on. Yes this scares me but I think it would definitely confirm your suspicion. In my view the only difference between a DM and OWSI is the OWSI has been taught the specific agency's...

Yes, a DM is trained to anticipate problems. They should be observant, looking for that nervous diver, ready to react if they see a problem. However ALL DIVERS should be able to plan and execute a dive on their own. If they can't then they did not meet the objectives of the OW course, and...

Wow - I left for a couple of hours, came back to over a hundred posts and was hoping that some major insight had been found ... instead, it looks like I missed out on a part of the male anatomy measuring contest (although it does appear that it was a funny one) But to answer Pilot Fish - for...

The question is what does that level of professional care look like? Is it selecting appropriate sites based on a person's cert level or experience level (I agree that this didn't happen in this case but at the same time I have seen divers with over 100 dives and an AOW card that are still a CF...

Interesting take on it - I hadn't looked at it from that perspective, I can see how someone might be able to make that same logical assumption. Particularily if it hadn't been expressly pointed out differently. Thanks for the different way of looking at this subject.

:D probably - but this thread has been growing so fast it is an easy oversight. :D

IMHO - not good. I think we have established that the DM made some extremely poor judgement calls but this would be an additional oversight on his part. Not saying this led to the situation but definitely leaves one scratching their head as to what he was (if anything) thinking. Question -...

If we could get it for the specific site then it might shed some light on the situation - I think the OP mentioned that this was the site that they came ashore and the ambulance me them.

Did the DM ask everyone to keep an eye on their gauges and let him know whenever they hit 1000 psi (or some other number?)?. I can't say I've had too many DM's ask that I show my gauges to them - they'll often tell me how they want me to signal what my pressure is but to actually want to see the...

This disagreement between us revolved around the fact that you questioned if the OP was actually there or not. My point being that a complete reading of the thread would likely allow you to draw a different conclusion. I agree - this truly baffles me. If this (personal responsibility) is...

If you are going to have an opinion then you might want to read the entire thread so you can see for yourself how her attitude has changed throughout it. If you did, you might recognize some symptoms of post traumatic stress that I would expect from someone that went through this situation...

I agree - someone has some explaining to do with regards to site selection. Likewise there needs to be some explaining done about leaving the boat unattended (no it was not likely a contributing factor in this case but I don't think anyone is going to claim it was a safe thing to do)...

Please - can someone show me where this expected level of service is being stated or implied. Clearly some people are thinking "you are diving with a Dive Master" is translating into, "you are diving with someone who will watch your every move underwater and check on your pressure frequently"...

1) Thanks for clarifying that 2) Vis was around 100' correct? Nobody saw this accident unfolding? Maybe assumed that although he was getting a little further away that it wasn't a big deal? I've been on mob dives before and when someone is going considerably deeper or wandering away from the...

I noticed in the definition there is nothing about a dive master assisting with training during instruction. Did you clip the definition or is that the complete listing? Next - is this the definition that the agencies are using? I'm trying to understand where divers are getting this type of...