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Student with provisional pass has 6 months to pass with either a rec or tech pass. A Rec pass student has passed course and may go for their tech pass upgrade at any time. Cost varies by instructor and situation for the upgrade. There is no registration or card fees from GUE, but most...

This is all very reasonable, but I am confused on how this is any different than fundies? You talk about minimum number of days and then additional 'reasonable amount of time'--how is this different from a student taking a fundies class, getting the provisional and then coming back a week or a...

Let's not get sidetracked, this has been covered. Failure/Provisional both equal 'Not Passing'. It's not to say people didn't learn or have a great time, but discussion is on Pass/Not Pass dynamic, not the degree or levels within each section. You actually just described what Fundies used to...

I just find it mind blowing that someone with so little actual experience is basing their entire opinion on reading a SOP document. This posts exemplifies how little you truly know about the real world of scuba. Full Cave and trimix students have routinely taken fundies and not passed. As stated...

What exactly is your problem with the GUE fundies program? That the requirements of a 3' window are too strict? The course covers valve drill, OOA gas share, 5 kick types, shooting dsmb, and controlled descent/ascent in 10' intervals. The program can be taken in 4 days or split up into two...

We can agree to disagree on this one. Failure should not be a four letter word, the fact that it is is another example of the wussification of society. If you did not pass or succeed, by definition you have failed. That doesn't mean you need to be put up in front of a firing squad, but at least...

I am going to disagree with this from a number of angles. Your statement about not wanting an easy pass, but that almost everyone who meets prerequisites should pass as sign of a properly designed course. This statement might be correct if the previous course work was held to the same...

Just to clarify for people who may not be aware. To fail (essentially be dropped by instructor) on day 1 means the student was completely unprepared for the course and would have slowed down the progress of all other students. You will see this sometimes when a student gets their tech pass from...

Provisionals are a fundies thing. The tech courses--Cave 1, Tech 1, etc are for the most part pass/fail. I think I am aware of one instance where a student was missing one skill and the instructor Provisional is a fundies thing. Upper level courses are Pass/Fail. This isn't some open book exam...

You mean they spent 5 days with a GUE instructor and came out better divers? Shocking. If they had spent 5 days working on their fundies skills they would have had a tech pass :rofl3:.

Going to disagree with this one. CCR 1 and CCR 2 fit perfectly with the rest of the class curriculum. You can make some rationales, but it was always a little hinky having a 6 day class to certify a diver with zero CCR experience to the top of the mountain. We don't have that kind of zero to...

Why be so modest. Let Rec 3 know how you really feel. Look it straight in the eye and tell it what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass...

Calling @PfcAJ :gas:

Zero to hero does have it's place. I don't normally recommend it, but there are certain instances where extremely skilled and highly accomplished ocean divers could tackle a zero to hero and come out on the other end a respectable cave diver. There are some instances where 'travel' or 'time off...

Congrats on progressing to cave diving. So you have plenty of shearwaters, which is great. What kind of diving experience do you have and what other equipment are you using? That is the wrong mentality to have. An instructor should not have any issue offering guidance and answering questions...

People lack perception of where their skill level is because they don't set an unbiased reference point. It's like only learning from a textbook and then being put in charge of building an actual bridge. You think you are solid. Buoyancy decent, good control, you know what you are supposed to...

Most of scuba diving above water is upper body. Even weaker legs/knee issues on a boat ladder can be compensated if a person has decent upper body strength. I do not know this person at all. but I have seen some videos. I imagine he might be a little bit slower than the average diver, but slow...

NAUI Cave 2 and GUE Cave 2 end at the same point - Stage Cave. The difference between NAUI Cave 1 and GUE Cave 1 is what is technically permitted after class. NAUI allows the student to dive 1/3rds and make 2 navigational decisions (jumps, gaps, Ts). GUE Cave 1 allows student to dive 1/3 of...

There is a lot of truth in this. A lot of instructors will know the buzzwords and it can be very hard for a novice to cut the wheat from the chaff when it comes down to instructors. Apart from GUE, which is more finding a right personality match vs the actual quality of instruction, you will get...

You are correct, fixed.