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    why enter a cave

    It's a shame I threw out my old jacket. It started out a slightly more tasteful yellow but I hand sewed a 4" reflective strip across the back and did a few other things...I went into a restaurant one time with it and someone asked if I was a fire fighter. I bet it would've been even better...
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    why enter a cave

    Not yet. :) Just TX, NM, AZ, UT, NV, CA, MO, OK and AR so far with this bike. Nice to know I'm not the only dork around though. :D
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    why enter a cave

    LOL! :D I wish I had a picture to offer, but imagine a motorcycle with bright yellow pelican cases bolted to the back as saddle bags. Imagine the bright yellow cases have retroreflective tape on them. So do the engine guards. Oh, and the bike is a very tall orange dual-sport style bike...
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    why enter a cave

    I hope you all got wet and had fun this weekend. I did. :) I didn't see much point in rehashing most of this thread, but I thought I'd offer my opinion here. I suspect this whole thing boils down to the fact that people tend to assume that others are basically like them. Drop into poppsych...
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    why enter a cave

    Personally I think doing any of those things is, or should be, a crime. But if you know something is an Attractive Nuisance, and an extraordinary risk, isn't the modern argument that doing nothing is a bigger crime? It's certainly the argument against smoking, guns, et cetera. You weight the...
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    why enter a cave

    I I find this very strange. What exactly do you mean? My "debating", as you characterize is, has had exactly this message: Caves, like many other things, are dangerous. People die when they do stupid things in caves, just as they die doing stupid things in airplanes, deserts, and Tijuana...
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    why enter a cave

    That would be reasonable IF all types of diving had equal risk. If there are safe and legitimate uses, on the other hand, it is more reasonable to block only the specific activities and areas that are unsafe. You don't ban jumping when someone jumps off a bridge. You block more people from...
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    why enter a cave

    When people keep jumping off a bridge you put up fences so they can't. Yeah, it costs something, but it saves lives. When 3-wheel ATVs keep flipping and hurting people, you ban their sale. Yeah, it interferes with some people having fun, but it saves lives. If you are serious about protecting...
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    why enter a cave

    The nature lover/low impact ethics side of me cringes. The humanist side whispers that dynamite is cheaper than human life. And that sealing a cave is probably a lot safer than recovering a body. Was any justification given in cases where the caves weren't sealed?
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    why enter a cave

    LOL - I was actually being agreeable, not argumentative. It's you that seems bound and determined to argue. I have another question now though, not related to your post. - - - - - - - - On land what usually happens is Timmy falls down the well (ok, mine shaft), Timmy's family sues everyone...
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    why enter a cave

    Kotik, who are you talking to? You seem to be responding to points that I not only have never made, but personally strongly disagree with, as though you think I made them.
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    Why do we teach flutter kick at all?

    Thanks. For the record my personal goal isn't speed but "safe and enjoyable", which I think in part means keeping up with (or reaching) a buddy when needed. Thanks!
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    why enter a cave

    Let's try this again. I said: Seems like the only real consensus is that people who enter conditions they are not prepared for (equipment, training, mental/physical state, et cetera) face a higher mortality rate than those entering the same conditions with preparation. I'm not sure how you...
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    Looking Back - Did Your OW Teach You Enough?

    Enough for what? No education I have ever received, in any context, has ever taught me "Enough" if by that you mean, "All I wanted to know." On the other hand, if by "Enough" you mean, "Enough to have a good chance of surviving the next phase of my lifelong learning process," well, time will...
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    Why do we teach flutter kick at all?

    Excellent feedback! That's exactly what I was looking for...the envelopes overlap at least in some practice. I wonder how they would overlap for two average PADI (i.e. vacation) divers? Not noob to expert, but meh to meh. In the past I've learned to my sorrow that sometimes the "specialist"...
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    why enter a cave

    I didn't miss the implication. I politely ignored your faux pas. :)
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    why enter a cave

    Seems like the only real consensus is that people who enter conditions they are not prepared for (equipment, training, mental/physical state, et cetera) face a higher mortality rate than those entering the same conditions with preparation. I would say, "and the sky is blue," at this point but...
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    Gear choices/critique and comment please!

    Thank you both for your insight. It looks like another suunto is in my future. :) The SMB area is full of conflicting opinions. A lot of people swear by the open bottom bags, others love the Halcyons, some people say 7' isn't enough, others say 3' is more than the job requires. Some people...
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    Using tank on jeeps

    My 'con has an electric compressor in the engine compartment. Great for airing up after offroading. Totally worthless for air tools. The OP has several choices that I know of: 1) engine driven air compressor 2) scuba tank 3) CO2 tank 4) 12v electric impact wrench 5) electric compressor (like...
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    Gear choices/critique and comment please!

    That pocket shorts idea has real potential. Thanks! Silly question: I've got a specific opportunity to get a new vt4.1 computer w/ air transponder and usb cable for $750ish all up. That's the normal price for just the computer (no air/usb), about a $350 discount over standard online pricing...
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