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As Abitton says, it's called the Scuba Diver Certification (In Padi parlance). I agree it's a little misleading, but that is easily solved by discussing the limitations of the cert to the diver. I wish more Instructors would choose this option myself over giving full cert's like they're doing...

The only thing they're likely to hear in ALL of that is that you're going to PAY for more courses,.....(rescue training). Cha-ching $$ LOL Don't kid yourself, the only lead they're taking is the one going in the other direction. I totally applaud you in taking the time to give them your...

Well dude, unless I missed it he never said he didn't have a buddy to dive with. I guess your best answer then, is given based on the assumption that he does not. Do the rest of the community a favor and stop countering basic dive principals of always diving with a buddy. If scuba is the...

Your highly competant,attentive, well skilled, thinking buddy has your reserve gas. He is cost-free and is more fun to dive with than your spare-air. He also promotes a sense of team work, whereas the scare-air or pony actually does the opposite and leaves you with less options in the event of...

Wait a minute.....aren't you the guy that said he was a tech instructor last week? I liked it better when you were pontificating about how DIR wasn't suited for cold water diving...... Quite the piece of work. Gotta love scubaboard aliases.

A bit of both I guess. The main point being after how much money on how many specialties, it seems to me that a Master Diver knows nothing about basic dive planning, and just how convoluted your set-up and mindset is from this perspective. In your defense however, it's not at all your fault...

LOL, I'll take that under advisement. The day a students knows so much more about what I am teaching them than I do I will swap hats. Until then I shelter them from the nonsense and instill a certain discipline within them that I can only hope will last once they move on out of the classroom...

Scary isn't it! :D

Where would you like us to start? Gilliam, deco gas selection, gas planning, bottle dropping on wrecks, padi, Gentile, solo vs. buddy system, computer vs. tables........ what are you asking dude?

Sounds like you got your monies worth out of that Padi Master Diver program........... :shakehead

Train up thy sons when they are young, in the ways of DIR, for when they are old, they will not depart from it........Or I may be mis-quoting slightly here...lol Steve

Sorry bud, can't answer that, no-one gets into a class with an Air2. Well, you might, but I'll ensure you don't like it one bit within a dive or two....... Then we'll do it closer to my way ;) There is absolutely no need to lose a reg because an inflator sticks, but I guess the...

Well that makes a pretty sensible reason why this in fact is a wrong answer to go with this junk. Inflator free-flow casing you to lose a regulator, sound very well thought out to me ;) Think about it folks. It doesn't even pass the sniff test. No sense in going any further.

Yep, and people look at you like you've got three heads because by the standards, it would seem that these folks have been given the green light, and have the god-given right to not only be on that dive but in fact obtain a card merely by paying the course fees......... It's absolutely crazy.

Excellent post Mike. I'm going to copy this and e-mail it to a guy I know that wants to cert his kids, and he himself has about 15-20 dives I would imagine. He's asked my opinion and of course it's the same as yours more or less. I personlly will not certifiy a kid for any reason other than my...

Oh that WAS civil. :) Glad what you were taught works for you. The problem with your arguement is you think this is a short-long hose issue, when in fact the problem is divers with no basic skills or comfort in the water, making the hose issues quite moot, not to mention any other problem...

The long hoses does not in any way restrict how close you can get to an OOA diver. On the other hand it does allow for two reasonably competant divers to go about exiting the dive in a manner that does not look like a rape in progress. Glad your training was so valid. Regards

And I'm still waiting for one.........:mooner: Air2's are a complete convolution and it's no wonder it's also the OP's 'Option 1' as that's what he would get around here :) lol I'm continually amazed with my OW students that see the long-hose and bungie set-up, and then try several OOA's with...

lol, glad you're OK. How's that for your typical AOW class, if not very smart, at least how you got to that dive was by the numbers as far as Padi would be concerned..but then again there's that "Educational Validity" course outline working for you again.......... Anyone who thinks padi's...

Yeah buddy, I felt it wrong to beat up on this poor fellow after that :) lol