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"Since this apparently represents your ability to understand the concept, I will sincerely apologize for asking too much of you and leave it at that." So what you're saying is you didn't call and talk to the person in charge of all this stuff at padi??? "2007: 5 total deaths during training...

ha ha no because i work for a couple different ones and i really dont think ive been pro for or against any stores other then my calgary crack (go oilers) but i've admitted to having 2 accounts deleted in the past due to people complaining about me telling them there retards. I don't know...

and when person a tell's person b to call the same two places person a got their info from and person b cant understand this concept person b is a jack ass

"No, ... you'd be right ... I don't do those things in OW. Nor do I understand what relevance they have to training someone to self-rescue ... or to help someone else." They don't its what gets tough in the AOW you said you teach all of the AOW stuff in your OW course as much stuff in your ow...

The padi AOW is its own course, it includes adventure dives to get the students a taste of different specialities. It also gets the students deeper but doesn't certify them the same way the deep diver course. A student with only there AOW cant go down 130 feet like a student with the SSI one...

"I'd recomond calling both dan and padi for the stats as its easier then surfing through the books." ummmmmm yah need there numbers? call and ask thats what i did when i was looking into this accident. they gave me no info on the accident but still answered questions i had. "There was no...

id recomond switching stores lol

"It would be even cooler if I actually saw any of it in practice. lol (but they will play the card..."You were not around when I had my class....blah blah blah." If you dont i'd recomond switching stores

if you have access to dan you can fin the first stat, the second stat is from padi its self as dan doesnt distinguish between training accidents and none training accidents. I'd recomond calling both dan and padi for the states as its easier then surfing through the books. All dan memebers...

"It drives me NUTS that so many divers don't take a rescue course. In fact, perhaps SRD should be a prerequisite for a deep dive in cold water. There was no need for the victim to fall back to depth. What might have been a rescue followed by successful CPR almost certainly became a recovery...

it teachs the nav and search and recovery and ppb which are all skills they need so we dont have to teach them in rescue

"If you're only OW certified, then you shouldn't be deeper than 60 feet ... so that need should not exist." Most of the rescues ive done are paniced divers in 30 feet. I mean again its all up to the diver i mean padi and these other certifications give there requirments but its up to the...

the ratios depend on the instructors they get told what the shop requires and its up to them to decided who to bring with them, and honestly I like the AOW. It teaches basic skills needed for rescue!

and what buddy skills?

what skills are included with the advanced skills?

i do altitude/cold water, deep, night, ppb, search and recovery and nav

and what if you need to perform a rescue at deeper then 60 feet?

see and i dissagree becuase in the AOW you learn/practice your peak perform and your under water nav but also search and recovery, 3 areas you need to be proficient in to pass the PADI rescue course. Maybe the other organizations have less requirments for there rescue classes but id never want...

" And if the diver's buddy was a pro- then they should have their card yanked. A buddy will see a diver overweighted as will a pro" Whats the first thing you get tought in your rescue course??? 100 points anybody anybody???

what certification lets you do rescure before ow???? and the free flow isnt confirmed thats just one divers opinion who wasnt at the lake. Most stores in edmonton do an altitude dive with the AOW giving them more training for cold water and diving in the mountians, and further more con ed...