Herd Immunity in Indonesia

Would you travel to Indonesia after they have accomplished herd immunity?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 37.7%
  • No

    Votes: 38 62.3%

  • Total voters
    61

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I'd go tomorrow. Easily. Pretty much anywhere. The only drawback being a local return quarantine of a week at a preselected government approved hotel. Blah. That's actually more political & economic than medically related, but hey.

The worldwide demographics are still in the high (90-99% range) being over 65 years of age and with multiple pre-existing conditions that are most susceptible and will die, regardless. "Flatten the curve" meant the exact same number of people would die, but spread out over time. The Same Totals, just not overwhelmingly all at once. The majority of patients don't even know they have had it.

Add in the skyrocketing suicides, and secondary deaths by medical neglect (outpatients are closed)/ fear of care, economic effects (including hunger, bankruptcy, decreased production and the expected food shortages), etc... Protect the at risk populations, and let people live, especially those who are not at risk or choose to live. If they want to run and work at the hotel or dive shop, cool.

Side note, not as novel as initially expected and numbers of people pop up with resistance... or even more people didn't know they had it...
Covid-19: Do many people have pre-existing immunity?

Thanks for sharing the link

If the WHO takes into account the world population's pre-existing T-cell immunity like they were forced to, when presented with the science in 2009 with Swine Flu, this would change the entire modelling for covid outlooks, and a realisation that we're already at or close to something like "herd immunity"

I said a while back ago, that Indonesia will have herd immunity, and that many people would not even know they're infected. And now as evidenced in UK, India & China that >80% are asymptomatic with little to no symptoms
 
There are subsequent physical consequences even for the asymptomatic. I'm not even talking about the long haul covid sufferers.

It's only been six months, even with what has been discovered so far, the fact is, we don't even really know what the virus could be doing in a body.

Think of chicken pox. You get, get over it and then decades later, you get shingles a very painful and potentially disabling attack of the chicken pox virus because it never leaves your body once you've had it.

Or Herpes. It never leaves either. If you get a "cold sore" and it goes away, you could get another one break out at any time because the virus never leaves your body.

HIV is a virus. It can be treated but not eradicated from your body. It never leaves your body.

We do not yet know what this virus can do or will do.

The medical and scientific folk are working tirelessly and have discovered many things but not everything.
 
Thanks for sharing the link

If the WHO takes into account the world population's pre-existing T-cell immunity like they were forced to, when presented with the science in 2009 with Swine Flu, this would change the entire modelling for covid outlooks, and a realisation that we're already at or close to something like "herd immunity"

I said a while back ago, that Indonesia will have herd immunity, and that many people would not even know they're infected. And now as evidenced in UK, India & China that >80% are asymptomatic with little to no symptoms
Not feeling ill at all is an extra risk. These people can still transmit it to other. Nothing to do with herd immunity. Any published peer reviewed scientific papers on the T-cell numbers?
 
This entire affair is well beyond the point of being ridiculous. Lots of interesting perspectives in this thread.

Two questions, if wearing masks is effective, why does it continue to spread and how is China held to account?
 
What do you mean by T-cell numbers?
If the WHO takes into account the world population's pre-existing T-cell immunity like they were forced to.
Do you have any data about this coming from reliable sources. It was a serious question.
 
If the WHO takes into account the world population's pre-existing T-cell immunity like they were forced to.
Do you have any data about this coming from reliable sources. It was a serious question.

Yes, it's been posted already. The BMJ (British Medical Journal) is one of the world's top medical journals with a rigorous & transparent peer review process

But your question?
Any published peer reviewed scientific papers on the T-cell numbers?

Yes, there has been, and in the last few days the BMJ released a report.

Emerging Data Support Lasting COVID-19 Immunity Via T Cells

There's numerous studies from the Netherlands, Singapore, USA etc. And from the top immunologists of the world
 
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